RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

I canceled my subscription to G&A. just didn't interest me. But I did read the first part of Craig's article. It definately wasn't about being good enough it was about there is no reason for a rifle not to be that good. More of a rag on gun manufactures not hunters.

Thats what I read.

Also guys, I have yet to read that gunwriters say anything below .308 cal is made for women. I challege a person on here to show that. I have read that guns under .308 usually has less recoil than the "standard" 30-06 that most guns are compared against, so it would be more ideal for women and children.

Guys are you all even reading these mags or just reading the titles? Or reading into it, which is what my exwife used to do, so that might make sense on why some are bent about thier 7mm-08 being a good gun for women. I guess some are thinking like a women or at least ones I was unfortate enough to divorce.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

???

I had the choice of talking impact, then sound of the impact (since the two are kinda related) and then the crumple of the critter.
OR
I had the choice of talkiing impact, the crumple of the critter, and then the delayed sound of the impact.

The latter is by the order of events, the former grouped "like with like" and less likely to confuse (orso I thought) as I could imagine some smart arse commenting, "when they hit the ground they make the same K-THUD either way regardless what they are shot with." .... but looks like I picked up a s/a who wants to find an angle regardless.

In any case, got big, got small, got in between, shot stuff and K-THUD is what happens.
338WinMag is a nice medium, nothing superlative but nice.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

I was just messing with you, not trying to be a s/a... hence the ;)after my statement. Didn't mean to offend, andI apologizeif I did...

I've actually switched from a "manly" .30-06 to an apparently effeminate .243 for deer hunting. It's a bit easier getting in extended practice at the range with the .243, it hits exactly where I aim (so does the 06, but it kicks a bit more than I like for any lengthy practice sessions), andthe .243performsquite well on the relatively small deer we hunt in the Texas Hill Country. And, it's nice to actually be able to watch the deer at and after the shot with the .243. When using the 06, the recoil has always made me lose sight of the deerat the shot.

At some time in the future, I'm hoping to make a trip to South Africa for some kudu/gemsbok type hunting, and have thought about buying a .338 for use on such a trip. What's the .338's recoil like compared to an 06?

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

[:@]I guess my new 6.5-284 is "girly"

Thats Okay if it shoots like I think its going to....Crossing my fingers.

270 in a dog town...."red mist" I guess.:D:D:D

I don't care if its un manly or not I love shooting my 223, 221 FB, 20VT, 17 rem, 218 Bee, 22 hornet..... They are so much fun...No recoil, no muzzle blast, little or no heating, can see hits through the scope, Oh my! a unManly rifle and a dogtown is a recipe for a lot of fun.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

30-06 with 180s or 200s and a 338WinMag with 250s, more, a fair bit more, but not bad.
Just avoid feather weight rifles.

Play with it and watch not just recoil, but velocity of the recoil.

http://www.huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/

3006's:
7.5 pound rifle 54-58 grains for 180-200's

338WinMags
8.5 pound rifle 65 grains for 250's

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

Stock configuration/design has a LOT to do with felt recoil. It is sometimes hard to compare the same caliber's felt recoil between different makes and/or models, let alone between calibers themselves. Bullet weight plays a big role also. Just rest assured that the .338 is PROBABLY going to have a bit more felt recoil than the '06, but as stated above, it may not be THAT much more................

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

The bigger the gun the more flinch. I shoot a lowly .308 and love watching the guys at the range pretty much close their eyes when they squeeze off a shot from some cannon. Big manly men who just can't bare down enough tosight in and shoot properly. The more you shoot the better you get and it can be tough if you are afraid of your firearm.. Rock On.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

Agreed. I know a lot of guys who would be far better off with a 7mm-08 than the light anti tank weapons they are currently carrying into the woods. Especially when you consider that the average shot distance on deer in my area of Alabama is less than 100 yards and even a mature buck rarely weighs 190 lbs. I'm sure there are guys who post here that can shoot large magnums very well but most of the magnumitis infected individuals that have shot with me at the large gravel pit on my families land suffered from a bad recoil induced flinch. But despite the effect it has on their shooting ability they just can't let that magnum go. Theylove to talk ballistics andhow little their whiz bang ultra mag drops at 400 yards. Never mind that they couldn't hit a bull elephant in the @$$ at that distance so all that flat trajectory and retained energy at 400 yards is about as useful to them as t#ts on a boar hog.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

I played with the calculator for a bit and have a question... What does the "powder weight in grains" have to do with anything? How do they know what powder you are using? Different powders require different weights in order to achieve the same muzzle velocity/energy. I haven't had a physics class since 1976, but, it seems to me that, to calculate the recoil, the only things they would need would be the weight of the rifle, the weight of the bullet and either the muzzle velocity or the muzzle energy.

RE: Real Men shoot .30 cal or bigger!
 

The powderwieght in grains has a major effect. Thats why when people go to chuckhawks sight and think they got it all figured out on recoil, they forgot a major piece. The powder essentually is part of the load. Thats why you can have two different loads say for a 44 mag. One being 20gr H110 with 240gr bullet and one being 12gr of Unique powder, and they possibly will get the same muzzle velocity, but the H110 load is going to be much more stout.


I showed Doctor Death that with a 7828 load for his 270 win. He now complains its bruising his arm but its only a 2950fps 140gr load.