RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

First, regarding the 7mmRemMag,
then, after discussing the weaker 7-08....
Actions, they say, speak louder than words.

I'm betting your numerous "repeat performances" with the 7mmRemMag over a lifetime were based on something more than just an incidental increase in recoil.... (like performance?)

Perhaps "re-writing your past history" a bit?

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

I wouldn'tdwell too much on the difference in performancebetween the 7MM-08 and the 7 Rem Mag. It's about 100 yards of impact velocity. I would be comfortable shooting out to 300 yards or so with the 7MM-08; and be willing to stretch that out to about 400 with the 7 Rem Mag. Quite a price to pay for about twice as much recoil, though. And if you're not comfortable shooting beyond 300 yards anyway, it's amoot point.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

Im wondering if EKM sleeps with some kind of 300+ magnum at night? There definitely seems to be an infatuation with them there. Maybewe can introduce legislation to ban anything under a .30 bore? :eek:


<---Wonders if something gutshot with a 416 rigby dies quicker than something gutshot with a lowly 270 or 280.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

Roskoe,
I'm surprised, usually your stuff is gospel....

Barnes #3, most accurate, fastest powder loadings for 140-175 weight bullets.
More like 200 yards impact velocity difference, not 100.

8 Pound Rifle for the 7mmRem Mag
7 Pound Rifle for the 7-08
Same loads from above....

175 gr = 35% more recoil
160 gr = 41% more recoil
140 gr = 75% more recoill

Not twice, not near twice especially when tempered by the relatively light recoils involved overall.
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Doe Dump,

** I believe the discussions here have dwelled on 7mm to 308 caliber cartridges with my recommendation being a standard caliber 30-06 (though a 7mmRemMag isessentially equivalent).
For the sake of my sub .308 rifles (including my childhood .270, the prairie dog line up: 6mm, 223, 22LR etc), I'd hate to seeyour proposedban on sub-.308 cartridges go thru.

** I live in a good part of town, so all the weaponry "sleeps" in the gun safe.

** Since this is a discussion of
(1) elk hunting (West of the Mississippi)....
(2) and cartridge selection for western topography and ranging....

Have you been involved with either?
Or is this just kind of a "peanut gallery" thing?

** Are you volunteering your services fortesting yourhypothesis?
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Lady Arwen,
Colorado Springs, aye?

So where in Colorado do you plan on going after your elk (generally)?
You've made a high performance, yetquite managable choice --- worry not.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

No I used the 7 Mags first then found out that the 7mm-08 was just as effective for me and never looked back at the 7 Mag again. I tried ALL the big ones first. I had Magnumitis but recovered from it. A good Bullet in a good spot is what it takes and many standard caliber will do the job without the recoil and muzzle blast and wasted escaping gases. The 7mm-08 is just one of them. Anyone who knows rifles and history knows that rifles like the 7x57 have taken elk and MUCH bigger game as has the 270, 280, 308 6.5x55, 300 Savage 30-40 Krag. The bullet and where you put it does the work. The caliber? Not nearly as important. Find aGOOD bullet with a SD of 250 or more at 25-2600 fps+ and you can take about any game this country has to offer. Increase the SD a little and you can decrease the velocity a little. Then its up to the hunter and what he or she can do with it.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

F-I-V-E 7mmRemMags?
You must have been a really slow to catch on.

Bought one sold it. Came back again.
Bought another one. Sold it. Came back again.
Bought another one. Sold it. Came back again.
Bought another one. Sold it. Came back again.
Bought yet another one. Sold it.... and now....

Favoriteelk cartridge preference isa 30-06.
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BTW, if I was going to sand bag the deal, I'd sure take a 7X57 over a 7-08... over 100 years old and a (slightly) better performer to boot. I kinda like the old stuff.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

Nope havent been elk hunting yet. Justgiggling about your obsession with large caliber guns. Every time someone asks about caliber you always chime in with the magnum part. I understand you like to use as much gun as you cant stand and still shoot acurately..but there is a point that you reach that you can say enough gun...dead is dead.


As far as testing the hypothesis...sorry I carry guns that I can shoot comfortably and accurately with enough boom to get the job done. So I'd say a 150 gr NP out of a 270 travelling 2900-3000 fps should be suffice for nearly anything supposing said hunter canPUT THEBULLET WHERE IT COUNTS is enough boom.



Only question that comes to mind is... If someone gut shoots an elk with a 338 and loses it will nothing under a 35 caliber bullet be allowed in your camp then? :D


Happy hunting! Always fun aggravating you[8D]

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

Doe Dump,

** I believe the discussions here have dwelled on 7mm to 308 caliber cartridges with my recommendation being a standard caliber 30-06 (though a 7mmRemMag isessentially equivalent). For the sake of my sub .308 rifles (including my childhood .270; the prairie dog battery: 6mm, 223; youth guns22LR etc), I'd hate to seeyour proposedban on sub-.308 cartridges go thru. No dreaded Mags in any of those places.

** Ah, so it IS a "peanut gallery" thing ----shows.
FWIW, we have had a single documented case where an elk was shot "too far back" with a heavy magnum. It staggered, laid down, and died on the spot where it was shot --- it was an unfortunate, but illustrative example of "having enough leeway in one's cartridge selection for those occassions when things don't go just right". [Of course some folks will jump on that single data point to build their gospel, only on the internet can folks guarantee to "dump" their game perfectlyevery time.]30-06 still remained/remains the camp minimum. BTW some of the earlier fly weight cartridge wrecks we had did NOT involve gut shots.

** Revisit your words....
Are you sure youdon't want tovolunteer your services fortestingout thathypothesis of yours?
Think of it ascommunity service.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

I have seen several gut shot elk hit with a 243 that just laid down and died on the spot to so that don't mean diddely squat.;)Gut shots are gut shots.

On the 7 Mags, The first time I switched was when I lost my right eye. I went from a right hand bolt to a LH bolt. Still was not happy with it. Then afriend talked me into buying his Ruger so I tried that brand. Didn't care much for it and sold it. Then I took a couple more in on trade while running my gun shop. Tried different bullets and loads. Decided that the 280 did everything I needed from a 284 bullet with less recoil so I just quit on them.

Running my gun store for twenty years gave me a chance to try just about everything that I had any interest in. Way back I wanted to like the 243 and the 7 Mag.But try as I might, I have no use for either.

I like the old ones to but I can't really tell any difference between the 7MM-08 and 7X57.

RE: 7mm mag or 300 win for a lady hunter?
 

Really?
If your words are in ernest, then youhave immensely moreexperience withgut shot elk than I do.
(1) How in the heck did that happen? and,
(2) How did you continue to let yourself beinvolved withit?
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I think it is likely that most of us,if health forced us to go from being a righty to a lefty (or vice versa), would not be able to handle as much as we used to. If I only had one eye, then I'd also probably seek out modest recoil.
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Essentially is no difference (very slight) between 7x57 and 7-08 would be the reason --- other than the 90 or soyears --- "big" improvementgiven all that time to come up with a better mouse trap.