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[8D]New to this website. It looks great. I just got back to Hunting & Fishing since I retired from the Police Dept. The last Hunting Lic. was from 1987, the girl from the store laugh and said, "I wasn't even born that year." Just tells you I'm getting old. Okay, my question is can you use a single rifle barrel shotgun with a bird shell?
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If you are meaning a rifled shotgun barrel,I would not use bird shot.

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I wouldn’t do it either. If anything it’s going to scatter the shot allot more with the spin of the rifled barrel.

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I'm assuming you mean using a rifled slug barrel for shot. I wouldn't suggest it. The rifled barrels don't have choke and the rifling will spin the wad and shot when it comes out. From what I understand it will leave a hole in the pattern. I don't think you will have very much luck using one for hunting birds or bunnies. Might work for close up defense type stuff though.

The only way to really know is to go out and try it to see how it patterns. My guess is you won't be impressed with the results;). If worst comes to worst youn can pick up a H&R or NEF single shot for under 100 bucks new, even less used.

Paul

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If you use a rifled slug barrel with shot shells eventually you will wear down the rifling. I wouldn't suggest doing what you are asking.

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Interesting, how does soft clean lead wear down rifleing in a hard steel bbl.?

"If" that was the case, there wouldbe holes all overevery used muzzle loader bbl. all over the country side!!!! Also all of my revolver bbls would have been worn very thin by now, as some have nothing but thousands upon thousands of lead bullets shot through them!!!

Drilling Man

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DM

Regardless if it is lead or not, it is still being shot through that hard steel barrel at 1300-1500fps. Will it wear down the rifling on the first load? No, but it will wear the rifling down over time and use. How much wear? I don't care to find out. Any wear will effect the accuracy and performance intended by the rifling. If you choose to do this that is your choice. I won't and have talked to others who would agree. To each his own, but I still recommend not doing it.

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Especially when that soft clean lead is riding inside a plastic shot cup?

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I wouldn't do it either, but NOT for the reasons you stated! You wouldn't live long enough to see any wear in a bbl! All he would get is poor patterns...

Even jacketed bullets don't wear out a rifle bbl when shot at high velocity, let alone lead at low velocity!!

Drilling Man

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Sorry, I disagree. Jacketed bullets DO wear a barrel, especially at high velocities. 220 Swifts and 223 WSSM are known for eating barrels. Lead bullets wear a barrel, not as fast as jacketed bullets. Muzzleloaders using a cloth patches wear barrels. Paper patched bullets are probably the worst, unless you talk about shooting tracers.

Just FYI.....cleaning your barrel with those soft cotton patches causes wear.

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The barrels don't wear out due to friction.The throats burn out due to pressure and heat.

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Yes, barrels do wear from friction. Takes awhile, but rifling can and is shot out. Throat wear also occurs, at least that part of your statement is semi-correct.

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Large-cased overbore cartridges that burn huge quantities of powder to achieve their velocities are going to wear throats faster than smaller-cased cartridges of the same caliber. The 7mm Ultra Mag, 7mm STW and 7.21 Fireball are a good deal faster than the 7mm Rem. Mag., but they burn a whole lot more powder to get there. Overall barrel wear will be faster, and they will erode throats much faster.

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Agreed.

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You can burn out a throat,set back the barrel and start again with virtually the same accuracy.This can be done several times before barrel wear would ever become a factor.Barrels for cartridges known to be barrel burners were often made from stainless,not because it is more resistant to wear,but because it is more resistant to throat erosion.Barrel wear due to friction will never be a factor as throat erosion will occur at a much faster rate.

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Barrels still wear due to friction. Not just the throat, which definately wears faster, but the entire barrel.

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If wear due to friction were a factor,the wear would be greatest at the point of greatest velocity and therefore the greatest friction.That would be at the muzzle not the throat.How many barrels have you personallyseen that were worn out at the muzzle?Every scrapbarrel that I have seen at my gunsmiths were replaced due to throat erosion.

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Stone Axe Engineering Throat Erosion & Muzzle Wear Gauges by Mike Conroy
I could see that his face suddenly had some frustration to it. He came over and asked me, "Just what the hell are you doing?" I told him that I measured the muzzle wear and the throat erosion of the barrel that he claimed was in "very good condition and was a good shooter."As it turned out, the barrel on his "good shooter" had a muzzle wear of "6" and it's throat erosion was at "7". I then told him that his asking price of $850 was outrageous. He didn't like to hear that and with that, I walked away. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the worst, you can see were this barrel measured up to. It was basically a "shot-out" tomato stake. More

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If you actually go to the link and read the use for the wear guages ,you will see that they are made onlyfor military weapons.Military weapons are exposed to entirely different conditions than hunting rifles such as steel jacket ammunition or incendiary rounds or extreme abuse due to combat conditions.Modern sportingammunition and normal conditions are an entirely different situation than military usage,so the wear conditions will be very different as well.

However to see some other peoples opinions on the subject ,I startedtwo threads ontwo sites thatare more dedicated to shooting and reloading.Hereare the links so you can see what others have to say on the matter.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/170100593

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/687135/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

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At one time there was a well pubishlized and documented test where"compressed AIR" was used to push jacketed bullets through a bbl at high velocity... After something like 80,000 rounds (yes, eighty thousand) there still wasn't any appreciable wear on the bbl.

I'm not the only one who remembers this test, and it was talked about on this site not so awfull long ago...

You are confuseing "heat" and "powder friction" wear, when i said BULLET wear....

Shooting shotshells in a rifled bbl will not hurt the rifleing, it will lead it all up and have awfull patterns though...

Drilling Man