Rem .356
12-16-2005, 07:36 AM
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Rem .356
I went on a hunting trip to PA for whitetail this past season and it was four of us - my 2 cousins, my brother and my self.
Until just this year I have always had to use a slug gun and this year was the first year I could use a rifle so I converted my .243 win varmint gun to my deer rifle with a couple minor adjustments.
I was curious as to what caliber rifles my cousins would bring, being that they have been able to hunt with a rifle in thier part of NY thier whole lives. One of them brought a .350 with a 7mm Mag as his backup in case something happened to his other rifle. The other brought a Rem .356 and a .30-.30 as his backup rifle. My brother brought a .30-.30 as well and a 12 gauge slug gun as his backup - My self - I had the .243 win and a 12 gauge for my backup.
I personally have never even heard mention of a .356 as a deer rifle and did not think that the .350 was too common either - Just wondering what people a little more tunned in to rifles for deer think being that I will be using one for the most part now that the regs on rife use in NY have changed.
Until just this year I have always had to use a slug gun and this year was the first year I could use a rifle so I converted my .243 win varmint gun to my deer rifle with a couple minor adjustments.
I was curious as to what caliber rifles my cousins would bring, being that they have been able to hunt with a rifle in thier part of NY thier whole lives. One of them brought a .350 with a 7mm Mag as his backup in case something happened to his other rifle. The other brought a Rem .356 and a .30-.30 as his backup rifle. My brother brought a .30-.30 as well and a 12 gauge slug gun as his backup - My self - I had the .243 win and a 12 gauge for my backup.
I personally have never even heard mention of a .356 as a deer rifle and did not think that the .350 was too common either - Just wondering what people a little more tunned in to rifles for deer think being that I will be using one for the most part now that the regs on rife use in NY have changed.
12-16-2005, 08:37 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Frankston Texas
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RE: Rem .356
The .356 caliber can be found in the Winchester lever action and the Marlin lever action most commonly. However the conversion from a .35 Rem to .356 bigbore is not that difficult. The caliber has been around for quite some time.
The .350 Rem I thought only came in the old Remingtion model 600M. Mostly used in Africa or so I thought. It is another bigbore caliber.
The .350 Rem I thought only came in the old Remingtion model 600M. Mostly used in Africa or so I thought. It is another bigbore caliber.
12-17-2005, 05:36 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Rem .356
Ridge Runner is right, except the 356 uses the 307 win case which is a 308 case with a rim added, Both the 307 and 356 have rims to function in the win 94 lever gun. The 307 is also loaded lighter then the 308. I used my 356 this year and took 2 does they both died with no complaints ..
12-21-2005, 06:30 AM
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RE: Rem .356
The .356 that my cousin used was I belive a Marlin Lever action - looked to be the same exact gun as his .30-.30 just a different calliber - and the .350 that my other cousin used was a bolt action not sure of the manufacturer or model though -
12-22-2005, 02:47 PM
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RE: Rem .356
Ridge Runner - Yes the bold was like what you are describing - I find it interesting to see people using rifles in the field that you just don't see on a regular basis.
My Grand Pa uses his old .30-.40 Krag for a deer rifle, Nice gun but it weighs like 12 - 13lbs or something - definately not a gun I would want to be walking around with all day but fine if I was hunting from a stand.
I looked at a lever action .45colt the other day for $150.00 - I am thinking about picking it up for my brush beater when putting on drives.
My Grand Pa uses his old .30-.40 Krag for a deer rifle, Nice gun but it weighs like 12 - 13lbs or something - definately not a gun I would want to be walking around with all day but fine if I was hunting from a stand.
I looked at a lever action .45colt the other day for $150.00 - I am thinking about picking it up for my brush beater when putting on drives.
12-22-2005, 03:29 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Rem .356
Introduced in 1982, the .356 Winchester was developed in parallel with the .307 Winchester. They are both based on the same case; the .356 version, despite its nomenclature, accepts standard .358" diameter bullets.
As currently factory loaded the .356 launches a 200 grain Power Point bullet (SD .223) at a MV of 2,460 fps and ME of 2,688 ft. lbs. At 100 yards the figures are 2114 fps and 1985 ft. lbs., and at 200 yards the velocity is 1797 fps and the remaining energy 1434 ft. lbs. Its trajectory looks like this: +2.5" at 100 yards, -1.8" at 200 yards, and -17.1" at 300 yards.
The Speer Reloading Manual Number 13 shows that the Speer 180 grain Hot-Cor bullet (SD .201) can be driven to a MV of 2310 fps by 44.0 grains of H322 powder, and to 2569 fps by 48.0 grains of the same powder. The trajectory of this bullet at a MV of 2500 fps is as follows: +3.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, and -13.6" at 300 yards. This makes the .356 about a 250 yard deer rifle.
The Speer Reloading Manual Number 13 also shows that their 220 grain Hot-Cor bullet can be given a MV of 2143 fps by 45.5 grains of W748 powder, and 2328 fps by 49.5 grains of W748. This deadly missile has a ballistic coefficient of .316 and a sectional density of .245. At a MV of 2300 fps the ME is 2583 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the velocity would be 1807 fps and the energy 1595 ft. lbs. The trajectory should look like this: +3" at 100 yards, +2.3" at 150 yards, -0.6" at 200 yards, -3.1" at 225 yards, -6.3" at 250 yards, and -15.1" at 300 yards. With this load the .356 is at least a 225 yard big game cartridge.
As currently factory loaded the .356 launches a 200 grain Power Point bullet (SD .223) at a MV of 2,460 fps and ME of 2,688 ft. lbs. At 100 yards the figures are 2114 fps and 1985 ft. lbs., and at 200 yards the velocity is 1797 fps and the remaining energy 1434 ft. lbs. Its trajectory looks like this: +2.5" at 100 yards, -1.8" at 200 yards, and -17.1" at 300 yards.
The Speer Reloading Manual Number 13 shows that the Speer 180 grain Hot-Cor bullet (SD .201) can be driven to a MV of 2310 fps by 44.0 grains of H322 powder, and to 2569 fps by 48.0 grains of the same powder. The trajectory of this bullet at a MV of 2500 fps is as follows: +3.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, and -13.6" at 300 yards. This makes the .356 about a 250 yard deer rifle.
The Speer Reloading Manual Number 13 also shows that their 220 grain Hot-Cor bullet can be given a MV of 2143 fps by 45.5 grains of W748 powder, and 2328 fps by 49.5 grains of W748. This deadly missile has a ballistic coefficient of .316 and a sectional density of .245. At a MV of 2300 fps the ME is 2583 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the velocity would be 1807 fps and the energy 1595 ft. lbs. The trajectory should look like this: +3" at 100 yards, +2.3" at 150 yards, -0.6" at 200 yards, -3.1" at 225 yards, -6.3" at 250 yards, and -15.1" at 300 yards. With this load the .356 is at least a 225 yard big game cartridge.
12-23-2005, 10:05 PM
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RE: Rem .356
I've got a .356 Winchester I purchased about 20 years ago in the Winchester model 94 "Big Bore" w/angle eject. I mounted a low profile Weatherby 2.5 - 7 x 32 scope on it and it does wonders at ranges less than 100 yards. I've shot several deer with mine and only one ran more than 30 yards. I use Winchester 200 gr. power points.
I call it my .30-30 on steroids.
I call it my .30-30 on steroids.
