Good luck James! Knock one down for me! For some reason, as hard as try to make em do bad them darned core lokts inists on shooting under an inch out of my junky 700's

What are you talking about. I have never seen or even heard of these problems on a Remington, And I have a number of them. But either rifle whill make a good choice

I am not saying things like a bolt handle breaking off is an every day occurance but it does occasionally happen and while I have not had it happen to me personally a customer brought a Remington in the shop just two days ago with a bolt handle that came off the bolt body. It is sitting in the shop right now.

Venting in the bolt body is just added insurance should something bad happen like an obstructed bore, reloading with the wrong powder, pierced primers, etc... It vents escaping gasses away from the shooter. Again not something that happens every day but if it did happen to to you then you would certainly appreciate those three vent holes.

I see broken extractors in Remingtons often enough to know that they are incredibly weak compared to other extractors. Why do you think so many people install Sako extractors on Remington bolts? Because they break.


Both are good rifles but the Howas & vanguards are better rifles IMHO.

Can you take a picture of this bigbulls? I would really like to see a broken bolt handle from the Remington. Don't get me wrong I'm not doubting you I just would like to see a picture of it.

I know for a fact that more military and law enforcement sniper weapons are based on the Remington 700 platform. No one's tougher on weapons then the military so if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

Sure I can take a pic. I don't have a digital camera so I will have to develope the film first and put it on a CD.

You are right in that more rifles are based on a Remington action. The differance is that they modify them to improve upon their weak spots.

Take an Ed brown rifle. It is basically a Remington style action that he makes in house but he uses an m-16 extractor, welded on bolt handle rather than silver soldered, a Winchester style safety, and a much thicker recoil lug.

Again, don't take this as Remingtons being bad rifles cause they are not. Just originally giving the differances between the two rifles mentioned.

Go with the remington 700 i personally have 7 of them in varying calibers and had the chace to shoot a vangard and personally wouldnt want one if you gave it to me. vangard my have a gaurantee but its only as good as whats behind it where as a 700 has been proving it self for well over 40 years. and as far as the bolt breaking well personally i dont know what you would have to do to get one to break off. i have like i said 7 and every member of my family has at least a 700 and through all the gun shows and expos that either i or my family attends never seen or really even heard of it and my grandfathers goes to the international shot show every year and talked with the remington rep and and asked and said that in the 40+ years hes worked there he has only had to send out 1 new bolt on account of it breaking and the extractors will hold up to most shooting done with a bolt action to where you dont really need a m16 extractor.

I just went throught this same comparison before purchase, I opted for the Weatherby Vanguard in 300 WSM with a Nikon Buckmaster 3x9, I cant wait to shoot it. The total package cost me 750.00.

Hard to beat the Weatherby Quality or reputation, though I think the Remington 700 is a good rifle and I have owed a 700 BDL in 308.

I have owned and shot both. Just recently as a matter of fact I was struggling to decide which one to keep and which to sell. I don't like to sell guns once I have them, but this was unavoidable. The Vangaurd was a .308 and the Remington was a 7mm-08. The Vangaurd came with a factory shot target with a 3 shot group only showing 2 holes, so I was excited about the "out of box" accuracy. Long story short...I could never duplicate the factory target with many different loads....I still own the Remington. It shoots very consistant groups. Actually it is the most accurate deer rifle I own.

The benchrest guys & gals seem to do the finest, shooting, I have seen, and there reloading skills to me are just awsome, Last time I looked I did not see any Weatherby cartridges oractions, but seems they like the Rem's

im very pleased with my rem model 700 in .270