the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
09-20-2005 | 11:13 PM
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the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
i have read some replys about .223 for the 223 for daughter post and ones i have made my self i have notice people taking about the low recoil in 30 30 3006 and even 357 what you have to remeber is we are talking about a young girl not a full built guy .
also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL
IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick
also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit
also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL
IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick
also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit
09-21-2005 | 06:12 AM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
Just my rambling thoughts.
I am not a big bore or big recoil advocate for anyone. That being said, while the 223 may in fact be adequate for deer, as others have said it is generally considered a marginal round. I take that to mean that everything has to be perfect including shot placement and animal position. I'm not sure that a young hunter, even if they are with an experienced hunter, has the emotional control (read buck fever) to do everything exactly right. I think the animal deserves it.
I guess my other thought is if the person really isn't ready to use what would generally be considered a more standard caliber (243, 250, 257, 30-30)I really wonder if that person is really ready to hunt those animals. Its a big responsibility.
Just my 2 cents.
I am not a big bore or big recoil advocate for anyone. That being said, while the 223 may in fact be adequate for deer, as others have said it is generally considered a marginal round. I take that to mean that everything has to be perfect including shot placement and animal position. I'm not sure that a young hunter, even if they are with an experienced hunter, has the emotional control (read buck fever) to do everything exactly right. I think the animal deserves it.
I guess my other thought is if the person really isn't ready to use what would generally be considered a more standard caliber (243, 250, 257, 30-30)I really wonder if that person is really ready to hunt those animals. Its a big responsibility.
Just my 2 cents.
09-21-2005 | 06:36 AM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
Well said Portage. I often wonder why, when I was young, the first rifle was always a 30-30. For the cartridge, it has lots of recoil. If you can shoot a 30-30, you can sure shoot a .243 or a 257. If the recoil from either one of those is too stiff, maybe we should be waiting alittle longer to start hunting. Just my $.02, no offense intended to anyone.
09-21-2005 | 07:43 AM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
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i have read some replys about .223 for the 223 for daughter post and ones i have made my self i have notice people taking about the low recoil in 30 30 3006 and even 357 what you have to remeber is we are talking about a young girl not a full built guy .
also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL
IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick
also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit
i have read some replys about .223 for the 223 for daughter post and ones i have made my self i have notice people taking about the low recoil in 30 30 3006 and even 357 what you have to remeber is we are talking about a young girl not a full built guy .
also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL
IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick
also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit
I believe, if a new hunter can't handle a 30-30 or 243 at least, he or she needs to wait a few years. My nephew wanted to start killing deer at 9 but couldn't handle a 30-30. Now he is 11 and I think has good potential in him. He is hitting a cardboard deer with a sluggun at 50 yards. And that was the criteria.
09-21-2005 | 10:29 AM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
I read these posts " what for my kid who is (way too young)" and I just roll my eyes.....Nothing I'm going to say is changing these ideas.....let them learn the hard way. There's nothing else one can do.....besides I don't know them or the yuoungster at all.
About long posts.....sometimes I think a poster should be limited to two posts per thread.....it would end the BULL
About long posts.....sometimes I think a poster should be limited to two posts per thread.....it would end the BULL
09-21-2005 | 11:29 AM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
".....it would end the BULL "
You are no doubt right, but it would also end some good discussions as well. I suppose it would be better if we carried the "discussion" over to new threads rather than hijacking, but I suppose we have moderators to see that it doesn't get out of hand.
You are no doubt right, but it would also end some good discussions as well. I suppose it would be better if we carried the "discussion" over to new threads rather than hijacking, but I suppose we have moderators to see that it doesn't get out of hand.
09-21-2005 | 12:59 PM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
ORIGINAL: Highpower
Well said Portage. I often wonder why, when I was young, the first rifle was always a 30-30. For the cartridge, it has lots of recoil. If you can shoot a 30-30, you can sure shoot a .243 or a 257. If the recoil from either one of those is too stiff, maybe we should be waiting alittle longer to start hunting. Just my $.02, no offense intended to anyone.
Well said Portage. I often wonder why, when I was young, the first rifle was always a 30-30. For the cartridge, it has lots of recoil. If you can shoot a 30-30, you can sure shoot a .243 or a 257. If the recoil from either one of those is too stiff, maybe we should be waiting alittle longer to start hunting. Just my $.02, no offense intended to anyone.
09-21-2005 | 06:36 PM
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RE: the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post
I guess my other thought is if the person really isn't ready to use what would generally be considered a more standard caliber (243, 250, 257, 30-30)I really wonder if that person is really ready to hunt those animals.
