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35 Whelen accuracy
Drew a moose tag this year and would like to use my Whelen but can't seem to get consistant grouping at the range. One time I'll get a 1.5" inch group and the next three shots will be all over the paper. I'm shootingFederal TBBC. I'll take the blame for some of the problem butI'm wondering about the accuracy of the Whelen in general. Anybody got one and how accurate is it.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
sorry fellah.....there's absolutely nothing inaccurate about the .35 Whelen.
Here's my "take two aspirin and call back" prescription.....glass bed the action and free float the barrel and try it again. That thing should shoot a five shot group into 1.5 with ease.....probably better. It's good moose medicine. |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
Have you tried different ammo for that weapon? Maybe its not that the Whelen isn't an accurate cartridge, but that your particular rifle doesn't like that particular load. I would try someother ammo and see how the firearm shoots. Have you used this ammo to take game before? Also you say that 3 shots will be in 1.5" and the next three will be all over the place. How long are you waiting before shots. It could also be that your rifle does not like a hot barrel and needs time to cool off between shots. The barrel could be getting too hot, and causing groups to go all over the place.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
TBBC are notorious for coppering up a barrel fast. Their terminal performance is awesome and probably better than any bullet. I wouldn't be surprised if you are getting alot of copper in your barrel.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
Check your scope mounting system is doing its job. The cap screws may be lose, or your rings may be streched. Good luck.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
I would say something loose. I don't know if you have pump or bolt. But, either gun should group consistant. If it's a bolt check your gaurd screws, plus the normal scope bases,rings etc... Trophy bond bullet's shoot around 1.5 or better 3 shot groups in at least 3 pump 7600 whelen's. For factory ammo Rem 250gr core-loc shoot the best out of my pump. At around $ 24.00 a box I feel your pain. Give your gun a good cleaning, Check all your screws. Shoot 3 shot's wait 15 min. Make sure your brl is cool. Then shoot 3-more. If your first 3 are good, your next 3 are good, then so-so, next group worse....then your gun is getting copper fouled.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
35 whelen??? You plan on being right next to moose right. That 35whelen is a short range brick thrower..dont get me wrong itll do the job, .but there are alot of other calibers out here that will make it alot cleaner. Distance and shot placement... You owe it to that old MOOSE( 300win mag, 30-06 hell even a .270 is justice) And thats the bottom line 'cause ".YOU SAID SO" "" Hope you dont run into no bear out dare ..BE SAFE
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My manuals show the Whelan to besuperior to the .270 and .30-06, about equal to the .300 Winnie...
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Max point blant range on a 35 whelen is 250 yards with a 250 grain bullet. Not quite a brick thrower, and then there is that big 358 wound path.
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Will try some of your suggestions and let you know the result. Forgot to mention that I had a Bell and Carlson synthetic stock installed to replace the wood CDL stock last winter. Wonder if that might be some of the problem. The same guy who did this rifle installed the same stock on my 7 mag and it shoot consistant groups.
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
I used to shoot only federal premiums , but have heard good things about the remington core bonds LITTLE MAGNUM mentioned from the range master , so I will be giving them a go next time arround . I would think the whelen would be a very accurate round . Double check your mounts , and rings .
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RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
Scot Gags....hmmm sounds strange......250 yards..250 grains...what velocity..what energy is left at impact....what about the animal......how far will you have to track it...what about the 4-6 inch drop after 100 yards....check some ballistics and info on wound channels and get back to me And dont always rely on manuals.....they sell products too....The best test is at the range and later ...in the field.. Ill say it again... 35whelen good brush gun like a 30-30,or rifled shotgun..Take a poll and see if it would be chosen over a 30.06 for MOOSE..I know the history about the frontiersmen and the deer, elk, and buffalo and the 35 whelen and the 30- 30 Hell I own these guns too . You never hear of how many animals they wounded and never recovered, mamed, missed..History always seems positive What if I tell you that the NATIVESof North America with bow and arrow were more efficient all the way around???..Im not just blowin smoke atcha.. Im just saying back then they had to use what was around...today we have many more options for large game at farther distances....
Hey CHOPPER move up in caliber and save the 35 for smaller creatures |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
Hi Heeze:
I just want to make sure you aren't confusing the .35 Whelen and the .35 Remington. The Whelen is a .30-06 case necked up to .35, it offers '-06 ballistics with more punch. The .35 Rem with a 220 gr bullet can be loaded to about 1,850 fps with 36 gr of IMR 4064. The Whelen will propela 225 gr bullet at 2,600 fps using55 grof the same powder. 750 fps and almost 20 gr of additional propellant is a pretty significant difference! The combination above gives over 3,500 ft/lbs at the muzzle andalmost 2,600 at 200 yds in the Whelen.Three inches high at 100 yds leavesyou five inches low at 300 yards. The .35 Remington matches the ballistics you describe, not the Whelen. Good luck, CE |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
ORIGINAL: heeze gutshot shortee Scot Gags....hmmm sounds strange......250 yards..250 grains...what velocity..what energy is left at impact....what about the animal......how far will you have to track it...what about the 4-6 inch drop after 100 yards....check some ballistics and info on wound channels and get back to me And dont always rely on manuals.....they sell products too....The best test is at the range and later ...in the field.. Ill say it again... 35whelen good brush gun like a 30-30,or rifled shotgun..Take a poll and see if it would be chosen over a 30.06 for MOOSE..I know the history about the frontiersmen and the deer, elk, and buffalo and the 35 whelen and the 30- 30 Hell I own these guns too . You never hear of how many animals they wounded and never recovered, mamed, missed..History always seems positive What if I tell you that the NATIVESof North America with bow and arrow were more efficient all the way around???..Im not just blowin smoke atcha.. Im just saying back then they had to use what was around...today we have many more options for large game at farther distances.... Hey CHOPPER move up in caliber and save the 35 for smaller creatures http://www.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=%2fbalcalc.ascx Your original quote was "It is a short range brickthrower" now you are changing it to:"Ill say it again... 35whelen good brush gun like a 30-30,or rifled shotgun.." The Whelen can deliver 2300+ LBS/KE at 250 yards and that is plenty for anything in North America. It also delivers this with a 250 Grain Nosler Partition bullet and shoots flat enough that there is no need to change your point of aim. I own a 06 and would not have any reservations using it on anything but brown bears in North America, but that does not mean I try to convice chopper it is irresponsible to use his Whelen when it is clearly adaquete for the job! |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
The link did not keep the ballistics. Here they are
Muzzle 125 250 Velocity 2510 22762055 Energy3497 2877 2345 Path -1.5 +3.0 -3.0 The Nosler Partition has a BC of .446. That is a little better than a 30-30 and slug gun dont you agree? |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
ORIGINAL: heeze gutshot shortee Scot Gags....hmmm sounds strange......250 yards..250 grains...what velocity..what energy is left at impact....what about the animal......how far will you have to track it...what about the 4-6 inch drop after 100 yards....check some ballistics and info on wound channels and get back to me And dont always rely on manuals.....they sell products too....The best test is at the range and later ...in the field.. Ill say it again... 35whelen good brush gun like a 30-30,or rifled shotgun..Take a poll and see if it would be chosen over a 30.06 for MOOSE..I know the history about the frontiersmen and the deer, elk, and buffalo and the 35 whelen and the 30- 30 Hell I own these guns too . You never hear of how many animals they wounded and never recovered, mamed, missed..History always seems positive What if I tell you that the NATIVESof North America with bow and arrow were more efficient all the way around???..Im not just blowin smoke atcha.. Im just saying back then they had to use what was around...today we have many more options for large game at farther distances.... Hey CHOPPER move up in caliber and save the 35 for smaller creatures  |
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Umm... Me thinks someone needs to double check what they are reading!! I went into the link just previously posted. I figured in someone is chasing elk at 8000 feet elevation. Here are the numbers for the .35 Whelen with a 250 grain Nosler Partition. This isn't a manual, but from a computer program. Now we all must take what this information says to be probably how it will work, but don't take it for fact until it is actually tested. Here are the numbers with the .30-06 and a 165 grain Nosler Partition. Conclusion, the .35 Whelen only drops 2 more inches than does the .30-06 at 300 yards, with a bullet weighing 85 grains MORE!! The energy that the Whelen carries is 300 ft./lbs more at 500 yards!! A "brush gun," brick thrower?" I think NOT!! Well, that didn't work. I plugged in a B/C of .446 for the .35 and .410 for the .30-06. 200 yard zero, and 8000 feet elevation. I figured 2500 and 2800 fps for each bullet. |
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Charlie Brown I think you and VaporDog are actually on the same page. The little flags on his post had "BS" on them and think he was disagreeing with the quote.
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ORIGINAL: Scott Gags Charlie Brown I think you and VaporDog are actually on the same page. The little flags on his post had "BS" on them and think he was disagreeing with the quote. |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
you must have things mixed up. the 35 whelen being a necked up 30-06 should be good medicine for anything in north america. should make an awesome moose cartridge. i had a model 70 338 win mag that had copper fouling problems. get some good cleaner and check over every screw and shoot no more than a couple rounds then clean it again. also try a couple different ammo brands. GOOD HUNTIN!
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HEY....all of you are right... Im wrong I gotta go...see ya... PEACE
Hey Scot Gags...My DEEPEST Apologies for misspeaking..Im thinking as in 30-30...35rem Marlin gun and calibers........Oh hell it made for some good ole fat chewing didnt it son??? |
RE: 35 Whelen accuracy
Like most of the posts in this forum....this got a little out of hand. Can't find anything loose but will try some different ammo to see how it groups. I used this rifle to take an elk at 200 plus yds last year beforeI changed the stock. Didn't need all the info about whether the round was a good one for North American game....just a little insight into my accuracy problem. Thanks for the help.
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Now, what you were saying makes a lot more sense and we are in agreement. The 35 Rem is a brick thrower, but in a good way.
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