Out of state=no gun?
 

I went to a shop today to buy a .17HMR savage with stainless heavy barrel, and they wouldn't sell it to me! they said because i have a california license that i can't buy here (utah). i have to switch my license over to utah but i'm just a student and will be going back to cali. has anyone ever had this problem before?

RE: Out of state=no gun?
 

You can buy a long gun in a state you don't reside in. Handguns would have to go through a FFL holder in your state of residence. maybe try finding a dealer that knows this or tell this one, what's actually legal.

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Its not that you are out of state but out of state CA resident. Here in MD, they will sell to PA and Va residences for longguns but not to NJ or NY.

There are a few states that are no no's to sell to. As mentioned, CA, NJ, NY, MA, CN, maybe Illinois. Other than that, the rest are big happy families. When I go back to Ky, they won't sell me a pistol with MD licence cause MD requires guns to have a built in trigger lock and fired case.

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Just to clarify, I live in NJ and regularly purchase guns in NY. Either I am misunderstanding Bigcountrys statement, orhe is not correct.

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This is from Cabelas:

ATTENTION: Residents of IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY please check your local laws for restrictions before ordering any black-powder firearm.

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To further clarify, after just reading the updated,(October2004), state specific regulations for both NY and NJ as posted on the National Rifle Associations web site....

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NJ

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=Ny

I do not believe EITHER STATE,(NYor NJ),HAS ANY LAWS PROHIBITING RESIDENTS FROM PURCHASING FIREARMS IN OTHER STATESso long as those purchases would be legal in the residents home state.

As I understand it, some other states that are part of the "big happy family" discriminate against NY and NJ residents because they are unwilling to fulfill their legal obligation to asssertain that the individual they are selling the gun to is in fact legally allowed to own that gun in that residents home state of NY or NJ.

The point being is NY AND NJ are doing nothing to compromise the freedoms of their residents who are legally allowed to own firearms. It is the other states that are unwilling to sell to NYand NJ residents that are violating their freedoms.

As always, I want to make it clear....I am not a lawyer, this is simply my understanding. If I am incorrect please correct me and provide the regulations I am not aware of....JC

RE: Out of state=no gun?
 

Yes, that is from Cabelas.....It in no way statesthat theydo not sell to those states.

The laws for legal ownership of specific guns in these states vary widely. This disclaimer simply points that fact out.

For example....a muzzleloader is regulated as a firearm in NJ and therefore needs to be transfered through a dealer. Cabellas simply asks their customers to be aware of such laws before ordering. But in no way do they discriminate against NY or NJ residents who are legally allowed to own said guns under their own state laws.

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As another point in fact I have purchased a gun in MARYLAND had it shipped to NEW YORK and I am NEW JERSEY resident.
This transfered was reveiwed by the ATF as a part of their regular FFL auditing procedures and found to be in compliance.

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Jcc, could not find anything on Muzzle Loading.

NEW JERSEY STATE LAWS - Click On Law Below For Details








Anti-Trafficking
Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on gun sales?

No





Assault Weapons
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines?

Yes






Attorney General Regulations
May Attorney General regulate guns?

Yes





Background Check At State Level
Do state police perform a background check in addition to federal NICS check?

Yes






Ballistic Fingerprinting
Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale?

No





CCW Limits
May police limit carrying concealed handguns?

Yes






Child Access Prevention - CAP
Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids?

Yes





Child-Safety Locks
Must locking devices be sold with guns?

Partial






Gun Manufacturer Accountability
Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable?

Yes





Gun Show Checks
Are background checks required at gun shows?

Yes






Juvenile Possession
Are minors restricted from possessing guns?

Yes





Juvenile Sale
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids?

Yes






License or Permit to Purchase
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns?

Yes





Local Gun Laws - Preemption
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's?

Partial






Record Keeping
May police maintain gun sale records?

Partial





Registration
Are all guns registered with law enforcement?

Partial






Safety Standards
Are there consumer safety standards on guns?

Partial





Safety Training
Is safety training required for handgun buyers?

No






Saturday Night Specials
Are there limitations on 'junk' handguns?

No





School Zones
Is it illegal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into schools?

Yes






Secondary Sales
Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales?

Yes





Waiting Period
Is there a waiting period on gun sales?

RE: Out of state=no gun?
 

I'd try another shop and see what happens if you can. I would also suggest checking both states gun laws. Some shops or stores might just make out of state gun sales against thier policy, whether it is legal. As far as I know that is thier right. I know I live in MI and can buy anything but a handgun in ohio. I don't know if that applies to all states.

I purchused quite a few weapons years ago when I lived in CA but had an Ohio residence. However I had a military ID and the laws may have been different back then. You might be able to check with the local state police as well.

Paul

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Jc, would rather not have a conversation with you at any time. I was talking to the original poster.

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bigcountry: Well I don't think that reply needs any "clarification".

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Quote:

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Jcc, could not find anything on Muzzle Loading.

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"NJ Note:We ship air rifles, air pistols, crossbows & muzzleloaders to NJ only if sent to a New Jersey Federal Firearms License FFL holder (gunshop). You must have a NJ Firearms I.D. Card to have the airgun transferred to you in NJ, and usually must pay the FFL holder a small transfer fee. The FFL holder must fax us a copy of their FFL. "

Although this is obviously not a copy of an exact regulation I believe this displays the point.......JC

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BC.....What makes you think I was talking to you.....
In fact I think this is the first time I have adressed one of your comments in over 4 months. This is not your board and never was.....Learn to deal with it,then stopwriting posts filled withfalse information!

As a matter of fact you might want to remember what the moderator AJ52 had to say to you the last time you ranted about a post .

I would have thought you would have learn by now.

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I don't know, your like a virus. Every time I turn around, your right behind me and most making corrections and telling people they are always wrong and you are always right. Good your right, you win "something??". I see you put BS up all the time, but I don't want to talk to youso why reply.Its extreamely painful discussing anything with you.

Tectnically your correct about NJ, but on the other hand, almost every gunshop here, Ky or WVwill not go thru the trouble to sell to you. Most consider it a communist super liberal state, and I agree and hate it when I have to travel to Red Bank for ATT. The gunshops I know don't want to even take the chance to sell to you to check all the rediculus permits and stupid licences. I would say its the same for our friend in UT. Also, other reasons can be they don't recipicate.

I mean any state that you have to take a safety class for ML's,you can't take very seriously as a gunfriendly state. I mean, if MD gets any worse, I am going to move to WV and commute heavily.

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Wouldn't it have been much easier to just admit that in the first place. Therewas absolutely no need for the ranting.

Perhaps now we can get back to the topic.

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Exactly your right all the time JC. You should go off and be very proud of yourself and your accomplishments in shooting. Your knowledge andhunting travelsis just so overwelming. I am sure we all agree that we are so lucky to have you on this forum

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I don't you think could have written a post that better displays yourill intentions towards prior to my even haven written a post.
This post also really shows how it only takes a few bad people to give message boards in general a bad name.

I have too much respect for this board and its members to continue on in such a child dispute as you have attempted to create.

If you would like to get back on topic we can now finish this discussion in an adult manner.

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Thanks for the input guys i'm gonna check out the new Cabella's and see what they'd say. Theres also a few shops that i know would let the little stuff slide by for a sale.

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It must suk in live in Nj ,Ca, etcwith all those antigun laws.

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Knightia,

I live in NJ and have no problems whatsoever. The only real hassle is getting a Firearms ID card. That takes about a month and a half. After that, all the laws are for the most part the same as in other states with the exception of the muzzleloader being treated as a firearm.
However the upside of having the FID permit is that buying a handgun is now a snap.


BTW....here is a great page on gun laws. It showsall the relevant stats for each state on one page.....

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

RE: Out of state=no gun?
 

Never was a problem buying hanguns here -
Or So called assult weapons etc either.

They still allowing yall the 50 cal bmg/cal rifles-& submichine gunsetc?

But thanks jcc for that page/ link- it could be handy thing to know these gunlaws& restrictionsetc. The Feds have to many already too.
Then theres city/county laws besides the states& feds?

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New Jersey law restricts the ownership of certain semi-automatic and other firearms based upon their military appearance. The list includes:

Algimec AGM1 type
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the
"Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
Armalite AR-180 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAR
Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
Bushmaster Assault rifle
Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
CETME G3
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 seriesDaewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
Demro TAC-1 carbine type
Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
FAMAS MAS223 types
FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 Shotguns
G3SA type
Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
Intratec TEC-9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
M1 carbine type
M14S type
MAC10, MAC11, MAC11-9mm carbine type firearms
PJK M-68 carbine type
Plainfield Machine Co. Carbine
Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-1 4/5RF
SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
SKS with detachable magazine type
Spectre Auto carbine type
Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
Sterling MK-6, MK-7, and SAR types
Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Any firearms which are substantially identical to any of the above firearms; any semiautomatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a conspicuous pistol grip, or a folding stock; a semi automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. Any magazine with a capacity greater than fifteen rounds is prohibited, even if there is no semi-automatic firearm to accompany the magazine unless the person has a registered "assault firearm" and the magazine is used for DCM sanctioned shooting matches.
A part or combination of parts to convert or assemble a firearm into an "assault firearm" is also forbidden.
Any "assault firearm" not registered, licensed, or rendered inoperable pursuant to a state police certificate by May 1, 1991, is considered contraband.
Any "assault firearm" which was not owned prior to May 1, 1990, must be licensed. Application is made to the Superior Court for the county in which the person lives or conducts business. The fee is $75. The court must find that the public safety and welfare require the issuance of the license and the person must be qualified to obtain a handgun carrying license. For practical purposes, no one will be issued such a license.
If the owner of an assault firearm which has been registered dies, the owner`s heirs or estate shall have 90 days if unable to get a license to either transfer the assault firearm to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess such firearm; render the assault firearm inoperable; or voluntarily surrender the assault firearm. According to the state police, removal of the firearm from New Jersey to a state where the gun would be legal is also allowed.

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Thats quite a list....
Dosnt look like there the same at all when you include all the above infos-even excluding the muzzleloaders in the comparison.

But i dont plan on living in jersy(ever) myself- I will have to start thanking god(whomever he maybe) everyday that i dont live there.:D
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I can even wear boots made out of kangaroos here if i want- without smuggling them in-unlike Cali fornia;)

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Well they are certainly different than this.....

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Then you would run into the problem,when you came back to callif,if you changed over your license to a utah lic. and bought the gun.Under calif.law you would have one week to take your guns to the local sheriff,or chief of police if you come from out of state and register your gun.Or they would take it away from you,if for some reason it was checked by a warden out hunting or something. Plus you would have to pay to register it.They got you coming and going. vangunsmith