30-06 vs 7mag
06-12-2005, 08:39 AM
#21
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: 30-06 vs 7mag
I actually find moose easier to kill than elk.They may not drop at the shot,but they seldom go far after being hit properly.They usually bed down very quickly or stand on the spot until they drop.
06-12-2005, 11:29 AM
#22
Join Date: May 2005
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RE: 30-06 vs 7mag
ORIGINAL: 48thguns
they are close but the '06 is king for a reason. I hate paper tables cause they don't mean squat, however, lets look at the 175/165 gr comparisons by Mr Hornady.....OBTW, I own a 7 mag Tikka and a number of Sako '06's......
7mag..175 gr sp.....2800'/sec ( a wee bit of a stretch) 0 at 200, -7.7 at 300, -22.7 at 400.
energy.....2656/100, 2308/200, /1999/300, 1726/400....darn good.
'06.. 165gr btsp.....2900'/sec...(a wee wee stretch) 0 at 200, -7.3 at 300, -21.4 at 400.
energy.....2655 at 100, 2276 at 200, 1944 at 300, 1655 at 400.
Well, there goes the flatter theory....Gosh, they sure seem to be about even don't they? I like 'um both for elk and deer....both great cartridges. But remember...age before beauty and the 7 mag loves lots of powder!!!
Regards, Rick.
they are close but the '06 is king for a reason. I hate paper tables cause they don't mean squat, however, lets look at the 175/165 gr comparisons by Mr Hornady.....OBTW, I own a 7 mag Tikka and a number of Sako '06's......
7mag..175 gr sp.....2800'/sec ( a wee bit of a stretch) 0 at 200, -7.7 at 300, -22.7 at 400.
energy.....2656/100, 2308/200, /1999/300, 1726/400....darn good.
'06.. 165gr btsp.....2900'/sec...(a wee wee stretch) 0 at 200, -7.3 at 300, -21.4 at 400.
energy.....2655 at 100, 2276 at 200, 1944 at 300, 1655 at 400.
Well, there goes the flatter theory....Gosh, they sure seem to be about even don't they? I like 'um both for elk and deer....both great cartridges. But remember...age before beauty and the 7 mag loves lots of powder!!!
Regards, Rick.
06-18-2005, 01:12 AM
#26
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jun 2005
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RE: 30-06 vs 7mag
ORIGINAL: Hunter4life81
Which is better for elk/moose at the range of 250-400 yards??????
P.S. i feel like i am always asking this ?i think the 7mag is better for taht kinda game but he thinks the 30-06 is better!!!!!!!!!!?????????? but me and a friend of mine got into an argument over this and now i wanna c what other people have to say about this situation.
P.S.S. I would get a 300wm/wby but i can't handle the recoil of that gun jsut yet.
Which is better for elk/moose at the range of 250-400 yards??????
P.S. i feel like i am always asking this ?i think the 7mag is better for taht kinda game but he thinks the 30-06 is better!!!!!!!!!!?????????? but me and a friend of mine got into an argument over this and now i wanna c what other people have to say about this situation.
P.S.S. I would get a 300wm/wby but i can't handle the recoil of that gun jsut yet.
If you want a .30 caliber rifle round, choose either the .300 WBY, .300 Rem ultra mag or better yet, the .30-378.
06-18-2005, 11:13 AM
#28
Giant Nontypical
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RE: 30-06 vs 7mag
ORIGINAL: UThunter
but why not the 30-06? cheaper bullets anyways.
but why not the 30-06? cheaper bullets anyways.
06-30-2005, 07:57 PM
#30
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2005
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RE: 30-06 vs 7mag
I appear to be in the minority but would go 06 for one simple reason"case efficiency." The 06 does have a smaller case than the 7MM but it uses the available energy more efficiently for example if you reload:
Muzzle400 Yards
Energy 3500 FT/LBS 2066
Velocity 3091FPS2375
Drop @MBBR0 12.8
Optimal Game Wt1207 LBS547
The above is from the Barnes Reloading manual for the165 Grain XLC with max 62 grains IMR 4381 load.
If you don't reload:
Muzzle 400 YDS
Energy3330FT/LBS1805
Velocity 3015 FPS2220
Drop @ MPBR 29615.1
Optimum Game WT1119 447
The above is Hornady Light Magnum ammo with 165 Grain Interbond bullets.
Despite the smaller case capacity I challenge anyone to match this performance with a handload or factory load using 7MM Remmington Mag. Keep in mind you will get this performance with less recoil due to the case efficiency andlower power charge.
PS: Matching the Section density of two different diamater bullets to get a fair comparison is not valid. The 30 caliber bullet will have far more mass and strike with far greater energy when driven at equvilent speeds. The Optimal Game Weight found in many ballisticts calculators is anbetter means of comparing two rounds terminal performance.
99 years ago someone knew what they were doing when this case was developed.
Muzzle400 Yards
Energy 3500 FT/LBS 2066
Velocity 3091FPS2375
Drop @MBBR0 12.8
Optimal Game Wt1207 LBS547
The above is from the Barnes Reloading manual for the165 Grain XLC with max 62 grains IMR 4381 load.
If you don't reload:
Muzzle 400 YDS
Energy3330FT/LBS1805
Velocity 3015 FPS2220
Drop @ MPBR 29615.1
Optimum Game WT1119 447
The above is Hornady Light Magnum ammo with 165 Grain Interbond bullets.
Despite the smaller case capacity I challenge anyone to match this performance with a handload or factory load using 7MM Remmington Mag. Keep in mind you will get this performance with less recoil due to the case efficiency andlower power charge.
PS: Matching the Section density of two different diamater bullets to get a fair comparison is not valid. The 30 caliber bullet will have far more mass and strike with far greater energy when driven at equvilent speeds. The Optimal Game Weight found in many ballisticts calculators is anbetter means of comparing two rounds terminal performance.
99 years ago someone knew what they were doing when this case was developed.