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That is a nice rig !!!! What calibur is it ? I have a 6.5x284 all most like it.

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Here is a list of specs on this particular rifle:

The action is a Remington 700 that has been completely "blue-printed" to Bench Rest specifications. The action has been set up as a single shot by bedding a Davidson bench rest block to the action...

The barrel is a Hart Match Grade stainless steel barrel that is 1.450" in diameter and 30" in length. It has a 1 in 8" twist for the heavy VLD bullets...

The caliber: 6mm-284...

The stock is a McMillan MBR that has been weighted to ten pounds...

The trigger is a Jewell 2 oz. Bench Rest...

The scope is a Weaver 36X that sits in a set of Burris Signature Xee rings that have nylon inserts to allow for adjusting the scope to strike point of aim at 1,000 yards while the scope stays optically centered and still has full windage and elevation adjustments...

With load development just beginning on this rifle, shooting Hornady's 105 gr. A-MAX bullets, this gun will keep 5-shots inside a 2" circle at 600 yards and do it on a very consistant basis...

As a side note here, I do NOT recommend anyone ever trying to shoot a deer at 1,000 yards unless you are specifically equipped for it and have the knowledge and know how to shoot at long range! I have spent many years perfecting the shooting dicipline it takes to be able hit a target at extreme ranges. Please do NOT use this as a post to start bad mouthing. I just thought I would share a couple of pictures for you to see as most guys have never seen a rifle like this before and I thought some of you might find it interesting....

DAVID

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Hi Dan,

Thank you! It is a 6mm-284.

DAVID

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I almost forgot. The total weight of the gun as it sits is 29 pounds....

DAVID

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Sweet gun! Heavy, too.:D

One question: Why is the barrel recessed?

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What do you mean by the barrel being "recessed"?

DAVID

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Not bad...how do you think it would fare against an Accuracy International..Those are some serious sniper rigs!!!

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Garminator, this is a deer rifle! :)

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I be the first to question the need for a 1000 yard deer rifle. I think the rifle you have built is wonderful, and wonderful for the purpose of target shooting but not deer hunting.

I have been shooting Highpower XC, and Long range competition for years.

Highpower XC is a series of matches from 200 yards standing to 600 yards prone while the long range is a 1000 yard prone match.

I see you have a 6x284....The 6.5X284 was really developed and used quite extensivley by the long range crowd these days in target competition.

Shooting paper and shooting a game animal are two very different things and although I have shot 1000's of rounds at long ranges in competition my personal limits on a game animal is 400 yards.

I am not trying to sound Holier than thou in this, but I urge you not to shoot at deer or any game animal at those distances.

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Your muzzle crown. It looks like it is recessed about 10 degrees or so.

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My 50 BMG can outshoot this gun at 800 + yards. 2" groups at 900 yards using AR-50 with 750 Gr. Hornady A-Max reloads. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Barrel is larger than the action screw in. Recessed.

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Yes, the muzzle is recessed with a series of 4 steps or actually a crown within a crown. This is more cosmetic than anything else as my trade mark on big barrels like this is usually a "triple crown"...

Yes again, the barrel is larger than what the receiver is and as such, I left the recoil lug off and the shoulder of the barrel itself acts as the recoil lug with the minimal recoil generated by the cartridge....

DAVID

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Well, doggone I have not seen a 6mm-284 before. Don't have any tables that go out to 1k either. What kind of energy does it have at 1000?

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Off the top of my head, I do not remember what the foot pounds of energy is at 1,000 yards but I do know that the Hornady 105 gr. A-MAX will perform on deer at that distance as I have personally made one-shot kills at that distance and beyond as well as having witnessed others making kills at 1,000+ yards using the same bullet....

DAVID

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nice gun!!! not trying to be a dick but whats the thrill in taking a deer @ 3000 feet???? seems like it would be kind of like going tothe movies...and the theater only has little 2 inch movie screen and no sound and you gotta sit in the back row;)....i dont get it:(:(:(

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It would take much more "skill" to take a deer at 3000ft than it would to take a deer at 100yards. I never done it, but imagine the thrill is pocessing the skill to do such a thing.

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kind of like the skill it would take to stalk a deer to within 20 yards...wait for the right time to raise your bow without being detected...and make a good shot while your heart is pounding through your chest and you have a hard-on the size of the Sears Tower.....

i dont think it compares to that.... if you can make the shot once, you can make it again...imo;).....once again i like the gun...would like to give something like that a try on the range someday....

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I have built quite a few 6MM-284's and personally own one set up to shoot the 105 A-Max. I used a Remington "blueprinted" action, H-S Precision stock, Jewell trigger, and a Jeff Lawrence 1:9 barrel. Mine is a little more portable at 12.75 lbs., and shoots 1/4" groups with regularityif I do my part.

About this 1,000 yard business . . . . Although the ballistic coefficient of this bullet is about .500 and they are going around 3400 at the muzzle, the retained velocity at 1,000 yards is only 1675 and the energy is down to 650 ft. lbs. I have seen this load put several elk on the ground so fast, from a broadside lung shot, that one would swear it was a head shot. But at distances in the 250 to 450 yard range. For humane 1,000 yard deer hunting (if there is such a thing), I'm thinking a 7 STW with the 168 Berger VLD would be the ticket.

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how about a laser guided missile fired from Mt. Everest....that would get it done too...you could watch it on video screen from the comfort of your favorite leather lazy boy while drink'n a chilly one.

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I have used the 7mm STW as well as a 30-378 to take deer out to and beyond 1,000 yards but I'm one that just prefers the 6mm-284 cartridge...

It took several years of shooting thousands of rounds of ammo at targets at long range before I ever put the cross hairs on a deer! I am both a Military and Police trained sniper and much prefer shooting "targets" at 1,000 yards instead of 100 yards....

DAVID

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With your 105 A-Max at 1000 yards what are your come ups? What amount of windage do you have with a 10 mph 45 degree wind @ 1000 yards? Just curious to know the particulars.

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When sighted in at 100 yards, this load in my rifle would be about 215 inches low at 1,000 yards. And the 10 MPH wind drift would be 67 inches. This is at sea level. At 7,000 feet in elevation, the 1K yard drop is "only" 185 inches.

I'm in complete agreement that a rig like this can produce some amazing groups at long range. A guy in North Carolina set a world record with a heavyweight 6MM-284 a few years back using the 107 Sierra bullet. Just under three inches for ten shots, if I remember. I'm only questioning the amount of "pop" a bullet of this weight still has at this distance - particularly when its impact velocity is below 2,000 fps.

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Interesting figures Roskoe. You using ballistics software? Maybe I should get same.

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OK, I am having a hard time comprehending shooting a deer at 1000 yards. I would think that knowing the exact range would be an absolute must.

So, can someone write a typical hunting scenerio for shooting a deer at 1000 yards? Do you spot a deer at 600 yards and then move back to the next ridge or what? Do you have to have NO wind, or can you make that much compensation? What kind of rest do you shoot off of? Do you have some kind of portable bench on a cart?

Again, I just can't imagine what this type of hunting would actually look like.

Thanks

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I got the sea level figures from Exbal. The 7,000 foot elevation drop figure is from actual shooting at that distance - although it varies a little with temps and barometric pressure.

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Thanks. I didn't know if it was a cosmetic touch or if it had some sort of ballistics advantage.

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Why must you make something so difficult? Just set up a pile of apples, corn, and a salt block 1000 yards away from your concrete shooting bench. If you want to make it really nice, build a heated shack around the shooting bench, complete with electricity for the tv set so you don't miss the big game on sunday. Now that's hunting:D[8D]

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You have no idea how funny that really is.

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That is definitely one of the pictures I had in my mind. :D Like I said, I can't even imagine this, so was really just trying to get an explanation. But maybe your excellent attempt at humor might not be too far off of the truth. I just couldn't help but ask.

Also, Mr. White. You have made and have seen the 1000 yard one shot kills. How many were not successful? How many misses? How many wounded deer?

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Let me lay down a little background information on our being able to shoot deer to 1,000 yards...

For one, we are able to shoot out to 1,300 yards because we have access to an area that used to be an old air strip where crop dusting planes use to land and take off many years ago. Now, everything on both sides of this airstrip is grown up in trees but the stripitself isnow just 12 feet wide but does still the full length of 1,300 yards. I take a riding mower over to keep the "range" clean a couple times a year. Cows are also on this property and help keep it clean as well. Of course when shooting, the cows are moved to a different pasture...

When setting up to start shooting, we go to the range and sight our guns in to hit point of aim at 600 yards. We then move out in 50 yard increments out to 1,300 yards and make a drop table that covers all the yardages. We then check and recheck our yardages and scope adjustments and once everything is confirmed, we have our drop tables with scope adjustments put on a piece of heavy paper and laminated so we can always have it ready for reference when shooting...

We have 3 fields that we hunt. These fields are from 300-400 yards wide and near a mile in length. The benches that we shoot off of are concrete and are set backat the edge of a tree line. We measure off 600 yards as a starting point and go out to 1,300 yards in 50 yard increments. On each side of the field, we set up different colored flags starting at 600 yards. 600 yards is a white flag, 650 yards is a green flag, 700 yards is a yellow flag, 750 yards is a purple flag and so on...

Once set up, if a deer comes out on either side of the field and comes out by say a purple flag, we go to the drop table that we made and it shows us EXACTLY how many clicks to run the scope up to be able to hit point of aim at that distance. Once everything is adjusted accordingly, the crosshairs are put high on the front shoulder and the trigger squeezed...

We have been shooting deer like this for 9 years now and regardless of size, we have made it a "rule" not to shoot anything in side of 600 yards. Since does can be shot as well bucks, horn size does not matter. It is more a matter of shooting skill at long range than it is in trying to see who can shoot the biggest buck. To date, the seven of us have taken 32 deer in the past 9 years with no loss and no deer has had to be shot a second time! If we are unsure of the shot, we either let someone else take it who feels they can or we let it walk. We will not risk a wounded deer because of too much wind, bad angle or anything else. We do take pride in being able to make 1-shot kills and expect nothing less...

There has been one time with three of us shooting that we had a small herd of deer come out at around the 1,100 yard mark that the three of us killed 3 deer in 3 shots and with a couple of Federal Game Wardens watching us! After the deer were shot, the other deer in the herd fed all around their dead counterparts as if nothing had happened...

Yes, what we do is more "deer shooting" instead of deer hunting but that is just the challenge that we set up for ourselves and would'nt trade it for anything....

DAVID

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I think all shooters should have to make one trip in their life to Camp Perry. When you watch those guys shoot, you will realize anything can be done. All it takes is years of practice, the ability to listen to other shooters, experience, and an open mind(not to mention alot of money). You will see fellows shoot at distances off handed, that most hunters would not even consider off of a bench.

Hunting is a progression, the more experience you have, the moreinformation you seek. There are two ways for a hunter to go. They either go to more primitive weapons, or they go to more modern weapons to shoot longer distances, it is just a natural progression.

Either way you go, you normally feel the other way is wrong. "Of course it is wrong, that is why I went the other way".

Keep an open mind to other hunters way's of hunting.

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Then you get oddballs like me who want to do both...

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I think he has already established that he has the ability to do it properly and has set up an established technique to ensure a solid hit. He has also explained that he is doing more "deer shooting" than hunting. The rifle used is specialized to be sure and that is the particular challenge he has chosen to take. If he does so with skill and obtains clean kills then so be it. No different than shooting groundhogs at long range.

It isn't my bag either but hey I would love to take a few long shots and see what happens on paper. If I had the skill and equipment to do it consistently on deer then I don't see anything wrong with it. The key issue being skill and equipment. If he can get 9 out of ten inside the kill zone in varying conditions then I would say he is within ethical boundaries. I have seen and missed deer well inside of 100 yards and consider myself to be a pretty good shot. Anyone can miss, at short range or long regardless of skill. The possibilites for a miss at longer ranges certainly go up but i'll bet a miss at that range for most people would likely never hit the deer at all. Like I said not my bag for deer but who is to say a groundhog at 1000yds is more or less and animal than any other.

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I'm all for you david I love being able to crack one way out there with my bigiron. I am so sick of people saying that guns over kill or since they cant keep the 06 on paper at 300 they feel no one else has any business shooting that far. Now for me I feel comfortable to 500 yards with my custom 300rum she will do more but I dont have the science perfected to go any farther and theres too many trees around here to get in the way. Most my hunting I do with a bow and arrow and harvest a nice buck almost every year and by nice I mean 130 pluson public land so I know I have the know how to get close and its not a being lazy issue its just testing ones limits. I have set my limit cause theres not a doubt in my mind that I can hit'em and I have yet to lose one Ive shot 3 deer over 400 yards havent missed yet.Dont get me wrong I kill alot of deer with myrifleunder 100yards but just like to try something different everynow and then.I respect everyone here for knowing his/hers limits and how they chooseto havest there animals. I for one enjoy both ways of hunting and get the same rush everytime I shoot one if its 15 yards or 450. Now I rambling so I'll stop there

By the way sweet gun david I want to have kirby allen build me a 6.5/300wsm topped with a night force next summer if funds are avaliable better get to work too make funds available good luck to everyone hunting and in all walks of life

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Ya know if a deer so much as just moved a bit at the shot you could gut hit him so easily that I have to ask, why the hell do you want to risk wounding a deer? I'm sure you are capable of doing the shot as is your equipment and you have done it many times but if you haven't wounded one yet ( or will admit to it ) you eventually will. Why?