Muzzle Breaks ???'s
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With a 25.06 I would go with a muzzlebrake for a pdog rig. I know guys that brake all their pdog rigs so that they can see bullet impact for faster follow up shots. I have one on a Savage .338 and I can turn it on or off. I would recommend an adjustable one like this .
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I shoot a 338 Win Mag and I dont feel that it need a muzzlebrake. On the other hand, two other friends that also have 338WM's say they need them. One has one on his and the other will soon. The friend that has one is the only one inElk camp that has one and we always call it a PU$$Y BRAKE, and no one wants to parner up with him because of the noise. Jovan
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From: IOWA/25' UP
I myself would not hunt with a brake on. When hunting big game, recoil is not an issue. Brakes are nice on large caliber rifles for working up loads at the range and extensive shooting and sighting inof these large calibers. A pdog rig should have a bull barrel on it anda personshould have several rifles so that they can be switched and allowed to cool. Brakes on pdog rigs are so that bullet impact can be seen. Pdog hunting you have ear protection so excess noise is not so much an issue.
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From: fort mcmurray alberta canada
Quoted from the chuckhawks website
If the advantage of muzzle brakes is reduced recoil, the disadvantage is increased muzzle blast. As always, in the real world, there is no free lunch. The increase in muzzle blast with these devices can be literally deafening, even for shooters wearing hearing protection.
The muzzle blast from a powerful muzzle brake equipped rifle is so loud that even with hearing protection the shooter risks suffering some permanent hearing damage after a few shots. Earmuff type hearing protectors typically reduce noise by about 25 dB. A muzzle brake equipped magnum rifle (like a .300 or .338 Magnum) produces a sound pressure level (spl) in the 130-dB range, according to reports I have read. Thus the spl inside the hearing protector is in excess of 100 dB, a potentially damaging level.
For a hunter in the field, shooting without ear protection, the muzzle blast from a muzzle brake is immediately deafening. Nearly complete temporary deafness usually lasts from about a minute to several minutes after firing a powerful magnum rifle equipped with a muzzle brake. Later almost all of the shooter's hearing returns, but a certain amount is permanently lost, and the losses are cumulative.
From the link posted below
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/mounting.html
Muzzle brake effect: Reflex Suppressor is a highly efficient muzzle brake, due to abrupt reflection or blowback of muzzle blast in the first expansion chamber. The threading for a suppressor also serves for mounting a separate muzzle brake. Attention! The devices serving only as muzzle brakes are not recommended, as they increase essentially the shooter's noise level! The peak noise level to shooter may go up from abt. 157 dB to up to abt.167 dB with a .308 Win rifle if equipped with a muzzle brake. Such a noise level can cause permanent damage to unprotected hearing even with single shots!
From the link below
http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml
Table 2. CENTERFIRE RIFLE DATA
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18 _" barrel
155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel
155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel
156.0dB
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel
157.5dB
.308 in 24" barrel
156.2dB
.30-06 in 24" barrel
158.5dB
.30-06 in 18 _" barrel
163.2dB
.375 — 18" barrel with muzzle brake
170 dB
Krammer adds that sound pressure levels for the various pistols and ammunition tested yielded an average mean of 157.5 dB, which is greater than those previously shown for shotgun and rifle noise levels. There was also a greater range, from 152.4dB to 164.5dB, representing 12 dB difference, or more than 10 time as much acoustic energy for the top end of the pistol spectrum. It should be noticed that this figure of 164.5 dB approaches the practical limit of impulse noise measurement capability inherent in most modern sound level meters.
< Message edited by stubblejumper -- 4/14/2006 3:23:05 PM >
If the advantage of muzzle brakes is reduced recoil, the disadvantage is increased muzzle blast. As always, in the real world, there is no free lunch. The increase in muzzle blast with these devices can be literally deafening, even for shooters wearing hearing protection.
The muzzle blast from a powerful muzzle brake equipped rifle is so loud that even with hearing protection the shooter risks suffering some permanent hearing damage after a few shots. Earmuff type hearing protectors typically reduce noise by about 25 dB. A muzzle brake equipped magnum rifle (like a .300 or .338 Magnum) produces a sound pressure level (spl) in the 130-dB range, according to reports I have read. Thus the spl inside the hearing protector is in excess of 100 dB, a potentially damaging level.
For a hunter in the field, shooting without ear protection, the muzzle blast from a muzzle brake is immediately deafening. Nearly complete temporary deafness usually lasts from about a minute to several minutes after firing a powerful magnum rifle equipped with a muzzle brake. Later almost all of the shooter's hearing returns, but a certain amount is permanently lost, and the losses are cumulative.
From the link posted below
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/mounting.html
Muzzle brake effect: Reflex Suppressor is a highly efficient muzzle brake, due to abrupt reflection or blowback of muzzle blast in the first expansion chamber. The threading for a suppressor also serves for mounting a separate muzzle brake. Attention! The devices serving only as muzzle brakes are not recommended, as they increase essentially the shooter's noise level! The peak noise level to shooter may go up from abt. 157 dB to up to abt.167 dB with a .308 Win rifle if equipped with a muzzle brake. Such a noise level can cause permanent damage to unprotected hearing even with single shots!
From the link below
http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml
Table 2. CENTERFIRE RIFLE DATA
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18 _" barrel
155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel
155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel
156.0dB
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel
157.5dB
.308 in 24" barrel
156.2dB
.30-06 in 24" barrel
158.5dB
.30-06 in 18 _" barrel
163.2dB
.375 — 18" barrel with muzzle brake
170 dB
Krammer adds that sound pressure levels for the various pistols and ammunition tested yielded an average mean of 157.5 dB, which is greater than those previously shown for shotgun and rifle noise levels. There was also a greater range, from 152.4dB to 164.5dB, representing 12 dB difference, or more than 10 time as much acoustic energy for the top end of the pistol spectrum. It should be noticed that this figure of 164.5 dB approaches the practical limit of impulse noise measurement capability inherent in most modern sound level meters.
< Message edited by stubblejumper -- 4/14/2006 3:23:05 PM >
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Just my luck. Found a good deal on another 338 Win Mag at last weekends gunshow and bought it. Its a model 70 nice wood, limbsavers recoil pad, ring and bases, and yes a muzzlebrake. I told myself I wouldn't buy one but it was a good deal. OH WELL. Jovan
#16
I bought my Browning rifle with the BOSS system, and works great. Really the only reason I got it was the system is just one more item to accessorize the rifle with. Besides it looks really neat with all the little holes at the end of the barrel.
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I have a Browing a-bolt in 30-06.I feel that it takes the jump out of the muzzle more than it takes away the kick.I have shot one on a 7mm Mag and it cut down the recoil quite a bit.Browing claims that the lower the caliber the Boss system is on the less the Boss reduces recoil.In other means a Boss system will do more for you with a 300WSM than a 25-06.What the Boss would do for your 25-06 is reduce the muzzle jump which will make the gun more accurate.Sometimes the muzzle jump makes you think you have a hard kicking gun when you really dont.As far as for the guys that say if you cant take the recoil don't use the big caliber I have a question for you.Lets say you want to go shoot cape Buffalo in Africa.You take a .375 H&H mag and you put a Boss System to reduce recoil.Are you saying forget the Boss and use a 30-06 "COME ON"?If that is what you wish to do then you will find yourself trampled by the Buffalo after you shot him.
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From: fort mcmurray alberta canada
Boss would do for your 25-06 is reduce the muzzle jump which will make the gun more accurate.
Actually ,by the time the muzzle jumps,the bullet has left the barrel.Therefore it will not necessarilyimprove accuracy.
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ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
Actually ,by the time the muzzle jumps,the bullet has left the barrel.Therefore it will not necessarilyimprove accuracy.
Boss would do for your 25-06 is reduce the muzzle jump which will make the gun more accurate.
Actually ,by the time the muzzle jumps,the bullet has left the barrel.Therefore it will not necessarilyimprove accuracy.
#20
ORIGINAL: game4lunch
I'm thinking about putting a muzzle break on one of my rifles and have never shot one before. I understand they reduce recoil and how. But I also understand that they increase muzzle blast volume considerably also. Not that that matters at the range 'cause you wear hearing protection anyway.
Are there any good or bad brands to look for? And how hard is it to install? A co-worker who is a fairly accomplished gunsmith/machinest says he can do it for about $150.00, parts and all. Is this something you should really have an experet do? And are muzzle breaks worth it? How much do they reduce recoil?
I'm thinking about putting a muzzle break on one of my rifles and have never shot one before. I understand they reduce recoil and how. But I also understand that they increase muzzle blast volume considerably also. Not that that matters at the range 'cause you wear hearing protection anyway.
Are there any good or bad brands to look for? And how hard is it to install? A co-worker who is a fairly accomplished gunsmith/machinest says he can do it for about $150.00, parts and all. Is this something you should really have an experet do? And are muzzle breaks worth it? How much do they reduce recoil?
If you get one, have it installed by the makers-this way you will have at least some assurance that it was put on correctly!


