Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2006
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
I know of a used Phoenix (unknown year) for $400 with Vari-zone Multiplex Scope, Quiver, 10 Bolts, Cocking Aid Rope, Destringer, Cordura Soft Case, and Rail Wax/Lube.
#12
RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
#13
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
ORIGINAL: smokepolehall
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
#14
RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
ORIGINAL: smokepolehall
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
Dan, when you do the math what do you come up with comparing the used with the new. In the tiny space called my mind, I don't see any difference???? What about difference between the limb forward bow compared to the "possible" flat limbs? I think you might as well buy a Vixen if you buy a old flat limbed Phoenix.
#15
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
ORIGINAL: Dnk
Hehehehe Mike, don't worry I doubt David is offended, like Dan said, to hurt his feelings first you gotta find them and they were beaten till numb by guys like us! LOL!
Dan, when you do the math what do you come up with comparing the used with the new. In the tiny space called my mind, I don't see any difference???? What about difference between the limb forward bow compared to the "possible" flat limbs? I think you might as well buy a Vixen if you buy a old flat limbed Phoenix.
ORIGINAL: smokepolehall
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
Ok, Wyvern Crossbow sells good pkg. deals also with all of his gear/CB's and so on. He is honest does test and gives reviews. let memake that clear to all!
maybe i didn't write my post very well. i can't be in your head and read it as y'all do, sorry. i do try to help, seems i don't get my pt. across well and ppl become offended. done that all my life, doubt it will ever stop unless i up and kick the bucket today![][:-]
Dan, when you do the math what do you come up with comparing the used with the new. In the tiny space called my mind, I don't see any difference???? What about difference between the limb forward bow compared to the "possible" flat limbs? I think you might as well buy a Vixen if you buy a old flat limbed Phoenix.
Now, I'm gonna ramble a bit further on something I know very little about, but get the gist of it. Excal being made in Canada doesn't pay american Federal Excise Tax, [last I knew] while I think most American mfgrs do. This is a problem for honest dealers like Wyvern and others, they have to eat the FET. I don't know about the box stores, if they pay the FET or just ignore it, nor what their wholesale price is, all things that affect those low Internet prices. Actually, as a consumer it's not my affair. I'm fairly sure from talking to some industry people, Excals are not big money makers for honest smaller dealers in USA, they sell them more as an accomodation to customers, there's more profit in American made xbows.
In the case in this thread, the guy could drop $400 or less, compared to $780 and only be short a set of bheads to go hunting. If he's looking to go full boat, then the package deal may be the better one.
And to furthur complicate things, I just talked to a guy who got a new Y25 off a store on Ebay for $639 plus shipping, at least that's what he claims.
#16
RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
Re:Y25, If it was a new bow then that is below dealer cost!
David and Danny explained the FET tax and it has to be paid sooner or later. Wonder if it's a surpise to the purchaser or the seller? LOL! Are you sure about the FET on the Canadian bow?
David and Danny explained the FET tax and it has to be paid sooner or later. Wonder if it's a surpise to the purchaser or the seller? LOL! Are you sure about the FET on the Canadian bow?
#17
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
Not sure of anything in the "second half" of my life, lol, but this was discussed in depth on AT awhile back and I read alot on it. There was a bozo on Ebay quite awhile ago selling Excals way low, Excal was looking to find out who it was. From what I recall from the AT discussion, the American mfgrs have either already addressed the FET issue or allowed for it somehow, but the foreign mfgrs don't. I'm sure Wyvern will explain it all sooner or later here. I'm glad I just shoot them rather than sell them, lol.
Kry226: Sorry we hijacked your thread, hope you are happy w/ what ever choice you make, it's really your decision, don't mind us, lol. Btw, don't recognize your screen name, so if you're new here, welcome!!
Kry226: Sorry we hijacked your thread, hope you are happy w/ what ever choice you make, it's really your decision, don't mind us, lol. Btw, don't recognize your screen name, so if you're new here, welcome!!
#18
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
WOW...I stay off the computer for a day and look what happens!!!
Smoke: I did not take any offense, but I think I may have come across a tad sharp...sorry. I did load up that particular package with everything but the deer, but it actually saves quite a bit of money over buying it all seperate. I do agree, that that pile is not for everyone, but I like to think it is a nice option for someone looking for a one part number pile. My skin is a tad thick...gotta be in retail, so no sweat on my side
Everyone else that chimed in on me...Thanks for both the business and the kudos
FET...Yep, that is a big one and I will see if I can do a thread on that off of this one that may explain some of this...
"Re:Y25, If it was a new bow then that is below dealer cost!"
In conversations with Excal, there is several issues with direct dealers confusing "retail" with "wholesale". There are a few (and yes, Excal is aware of this and is trying to do something about it) that blur that line and sell retail at a wholesale level and screw up the line for everyone else. There are also a few who are going to be very upset when the IRS catches up wiht them for not realizing that they need to collect the FET. I know of a few shops that have closed because they did not collect FET. This aspect of the industry (especially with Excal) is very messy...
Wyvern
Smoke: I did not take any offense, but I think I may have come across a tad sharp...sorry. I did load up that particular package with everything but the deer, but it actually saves quite a bit of money over buying it all seperate. I do agree, that that pile is not for everyone, but I like to think it is a nice option for someone looking for a one part number pile. My skin is a tad thick...gotta be in retail, so no sweat on my side
Everyone else that chimed in on me...Thanks for both the business and the kudos
FET...Yep, that is a big one and I will see if I can do a thread on that off of this one that may explain some of this...
"Re:Y25, If it was a new bow then that is below dealer cost!"
In conversations with Excal, there is several issues with direct dealers confusing "retail" with "wholesale". There are a few (and yes, Excal is aware of this and is trying to do something about it) that blur that line and sell retail at a wholesale level and screw up the line for everyone else. There are also a few who are going to be very upset when the IRS catches up wiht them for not realizing that they need to collect the FET. I know of a few shops that have closed because they did not collect FET. This aspect of the industry (especially with Excal) is very messy...
Wyvern
#20
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Buying a Phoenix with a couple of questions
ORIGINAL: awshucks
Kry226: Sorry we hijacked your thread, hope you are happy w/ what ever choice you make, it's really your decision, don't mind us, lol. Btw, don't recognize your screen name, so if you're new here, welcome!!
Kry226: Sorry we hijacked your thread, hope you are happy w/ what ever choice you make, it's really your decision, don't mind us, lol. Btw, don't recognize your screen name, so if you're new here, welcome!!
You guys keep talking, and I'll keep reading. And thanks for all of the suggestions, insights and info.
Kyle