Crossbow Accuracy
 

Ok.. Ive never shot a crossbow. I did surf around on the internet and found a guy who claaims [and he claims hes no expert] that in variable winds he hit a 5" group at 100 yards. Then, a week or two later in better wind he hit a 4" group at 100 yards.

The question of hunting here is totally out of the question. My REAL question here is - is this nonsense, or can a careful shooter with a mid priced crossbow and scope really hit a 5 or better yet 4inch group at 100 yards.

Again this is not a hunting question - at all.

Pete

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There are some guys that like to screw around and shoot real far, and all that I have seen do it, (only on the web)say it is just for fun and always assert you could not do it on a deer. Now some Vertical legends have taken shots like that and all think they are the best thing since the bread slicer, but a CB makes way to much noise to do anything past 35 yards IMO. There is a Italian site at the top under CB resources thread and a guy in there does it. But a CB runs out of gas real fast and the hold over to do it is like four or five feet if I remember what one member said about it. So if you set up a scope to do it you would not be able to use it less then fifty yards cause it would be set up for such a massive amount of hold over. CB's do not shoot near as flat as a vertical bow so it is never set up on a hunting rig and just done for fun when it is.

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How about 1.5" at 100 meters with the right shooter and equipment?

Scroll down to the bottom of this page. The author is very credible.
http://venatores.mastertopforum.net/...3&start=15

RE: Croosbow Accuracy
 

Well, yeah but, the targets I have cant hear. I also dont consider it "screwing around".

Pete

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Wow - trying to sign on to be a member on that sight. No matter what I couldnt get in no matter how manytimes I did that thing where I type in the letters and numbers in the box. Said i was wrong, then locked me out and told me to come back later. Everythings so ditorted I cant tell a zero from an "O".

Ill try again later though - and thank you.

Pete

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yeah It is definately possible. but as was already said, not on anything alive.

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edited to add: Pete didn't write this, I did, lol

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Bear in mind that Matthias is an Iti and a very accomplished shooter but his English isa not soa gooda! LOL! He's a good man!



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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: [hr] Yesterday I done a shooting session with Exomax, 2219 21% FOC arrows and 36 threads Boo string, with my dyneema serving. The wheater conditions were perfect, absolutly no wind. I was shocked! I done many 4 arrows group of 1.5", with a constancy impressive! The string, perfectly in axis with the center arrow nock, allows to minimize every difference between arrows. And also the serving wear is very good. On my opinion this is the best string I ever used.

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I hit the target at 20-30-40-50yrds every time,havnt missed yet.How about that for Accuracy.....

Dont mind me I quit smokeing yesterday,I might be alittle P I S S Y the nxt few days.......If I can make it 5 months this time I think I have it made.....................maybe.....

The guys across the big water sure do some awsome shooting with CB'S......

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Easy there hot stuff! No pun intended by my post, screwing around is another term for having fun in my neck of the woods. I always hesitate answering questions like that since most will think we want to try and do it with deer, so that is why I put it in my post as a form of verbal insurance. So I consider it screwing around and having fun. The Italian site shows it can be done, but that guy has done alot of homework and knows his CB's better then anything.

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I've never shot my crossbow 100 yards, so I have no idea what kind of accuracy I could get...

IMO one of the main reasons the crossbow gets such ahigh rank as far as long range accuracy is that you can shoot one right off a rest(just like a rifle) which takes alot, if not most, of the human error out of the shot and helps a great deal asfar as long range accuracy, its hard to do that with a vertical bow...


wether the average joe could shoot 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards is hard to say...

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"whether the average joe could shoot 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards is hard to say..."

Actually, 100yds is outta reach in more ways than one. Those guys like Matthias 72 that are shooting those long ranges use a special scope mount called a "Wolfzeitz"[sp] that is alot like a Horton D-A-R, except itis precision manufactured. Most scopes don't have enough internal adj to sight in at 100 yds. This topic reminds me of when I was a kid about 12 yrs old. My neighbor had an old shed and we kids in the 'hood used to put ballons up on the back of it facing the alley. Then we would throw darts 30 yds or so to try and break a balloon. The ones you usually throw at 10' in a bar. We were bored and "screwing around". Why anyone would want to shoot a 40 yd weapon at 100 or yes even 200 yds is way beyond me, but have at it, just have fun!

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Hot Stuff!!!

LOL - let me tell you - at 46, anyone calling me "hotstuff" is ok in my book!! I see your deer issues, Im actually quite the careful shot on any game and give a pass to anything that looks "iffy". But I do love artillery type target shooting. Add a little breeze and the games afoot.

Ive got a compound, im waming back up to it, but I wonder if a handbow will ever allow me the accuracy a crossbow can give me. A 5" group at 50 yards to me isnt really as tight as Id like things to be and I wonder if perhaps a crossbow is the key to getting that kind of accuracy.

I know the banter goes on from side to side and just perusing the internet its amazing what myth is out their AGAINST crossbows, my fav is that they
lose velocity and energy faster than a compound bow shot arrow. Grains are grains and FPS is FPS but there you go. Its actually a little disappointing that there is such a rub between hand bow shooters and crossbow. they both have valid heritages and shining points.

Anyway, I want a system that will turn in something like 2-3" groups at fifty yards. Apparently a crossbow has to be the answer here as that kind of performance out of a handbow seems like olympic quality.

Oh the screwing around thing - my apologies if I seemed ... oh hell, curt. I think I did too, I reread it. I typed that just before I went to work. Probably my pre-work tension venting. My apologies.

Pete

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I think thats the issue in that at those ranges i see it as a target instrument and not a weapon. Ive always loved long distance shooting - of different things, bullets, pellets, arrows and potentially here, bolts.

Its a curious point though - if you could even slightly "rest" your shooting hand so as not to interfere with the shooting of the bow, could this "rested" bow rival a crossbow? Is that the only thing affecting accuracy between the two ?

I love both, Im not pro or con here - just voicing something Ive wondered about. Fact is my compound bow groups [when I used to shoot a lot] rivaled my free standing non-rested .22 rimfire rifle shot groups.
I seemed to averege an inch per 10 yards when I didnt rest the scoped Marlin. LOL, no sniper I. It'd be neat to see tho how well a compound bow, crossbow and such could do if in some fashion the human error could be minimized enough.

Pete

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Pete, we all took acception as a group (yes we are very close here) and your appologies are accepted and understood.
Personally I think that compounds are more accurate within sighting limitations. If you could put a scope on a compound the crossbow could not keep up. With a compound there is the ability to endlessly tune the bow and the arrow. We on the other hand can tune the arrow in a limited way and tune the bow in a lesser way. That being said if you are looking for a crossbow that can give you accuracy on motionless targets at extended ranges then a crossbow has the potential to exceed a compound. But it will take endless hours and days of research and experimentation.

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ARROWS--------ARROWS--------ARROWS

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Well Said...Don

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No problems here Pete. Keep asking and we will keep helping. A great site and a nice little spot we all have here.

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"Its a curious point though - if you could even slightly "rest" your shooting hand so as not to interfere with the shooting of the bow, could this "rested" bow rival a crossbow? Is that the only thing affecting accuracy between the two ? '

Pete: you are operating on some common misconceptions about xbows. Allow me to share some stuff w/ you? There is a gentleman on AT named Jim C that is an archery instructer, holds some recordsI believe, and is a big crossbow supporter. He among other things teaches youngsters and has at times past either owned or been part owner in an archery shop. He conducted some tests by mounting those little red lazer pointers that kids just love to get in trouble at school w/, lol on both vert bows and xbows. The object was to hold the red dot on the bull as long as possible, no shots ever needed fired. The vertswon hands down every time. His results are also verified in the competition scores where the vert exceeds the xbow evey time. W/o preaching to the choir here, in every state that keeps separate stats, the harvest rates percentage wise are nearly equal between the two, hence no net advantage/disadvantage.

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I would say crossbow accuracy is fair I managed to take a very nice buck at 5 yards this past year.
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