I need some advice
 

Here's the deal... Some of you might have seen a post yesterday that I got my first crossbow kill. Well in my my post I said that I didn't make a great shot. The problem is this, I have never practiced with broadheads. With my compound I practiced with field points then shot a couple times with b-heads always worked great! I did the same with the crossbow, got it sighted in with firld points then shot a couple b-heads. They weren't perfect shots but were close, I figured that was just me shooting offhand! Well today I shot about5 shots with b-heads, and could never get a good group. I then started shooting with a rest thinking it was just me. I ended up not feeling very confident with my crossbow! Does anybody have any ideas? I'm shooting a Horton Summit HD150, Easton 2216's with 100grMuzzy 3 blades. Help me out here. I loved the way this thing knocked down the doe....

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I had that problem with montecs this year. They wouldn't group well and with carbons they were way worse (not on the target) than with alums. I went and got some spitfires and they hit about 3" lower than field points....small adjustment and today they were all in 2 1/2" groups dead center.:D Needless to say I'm very happy with the spitfires.


Mitch

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Did you spin test the broadhead/arrow combo?

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Yes they all spun great. I also read somewhere to mark the serving to make sure it's centered. I'm not sure what to do here. Ichanged from the eastons to the Horton arrows that came with the Xbow. Nothing has changed. Could there be something wong with the bow?

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You should mark the string on either side of the outside of the track/barrel with something like dental floss or with white out when the string is at rest. When the string is cocked you look at the markings to see that your string is still centered. A rope cocker will make it easier to cock the string and not be off center. If its off center just pull back on the string and shift it till the string center is centered.

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Keep in mind you are shooting an arrow that is a LOT shorter then your old arrow. This means the broadhead can take control much easier. Also with half moon nocks, you need to make sure the moon is at a 90 with the odd fletch. If they are in at different angles, they can fly differntly. Like DNK mentioned, make sure you are cocking the bow well. Also make sure you stay in the shot until the arow hits. The more you site in, the more you want to pull your head out to see where the arrow hit.
Make sure your front end bolt is tight as well.
Randy

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Its called b-head tuning silly!!! I shot muzzys for twelve years, they did pretty good. Would say I only had fliers out to about a four inch pattern. This year I am shooting Tekan twos and they are nock buster. The montechs did not like my supermax 175, but they love my old supermag 150. You just have to find the right one for you bow. If you field points did well, then it cant be the bow. Keep trying!

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Still needing help here..... could it be my pin is moving on me? Would a scope help? If so which one?

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Here is the one place where a compound really outshines a crossbow. I hope someone can correct me, but there really isn't any adjustment you can make to a crossbow to tune to broadheads. So, the only thing you can do is try different arrow broadhead combinations. I switched to Muzzys that seemed to shoot pretty well until they made Mechanicals legal in Ohio.

Now unless I am shooting out of a blind, I shoot mechanicals with my crossbow. I’ve never (and I’ve tried a few) had a mechanical not shoot right with field points.


My story:
I got the biggest wake-up call when I very first started hunting. My friend who was a compound shooter kept telling me that I needed to shoot the broadheads because they will shoot different than field points. Well I paid no attention. So, we drive down to his property some hour and a half away to go hunting. Before we go out, we decide to take a couple shots at a target. The broadheads hit the ground a foot in front of the target! I’m so glad I learned that before I shot at a deer! I can’t remember if I re-sighted the bow or sat that hunt out… That was some 17-18 years ago.

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RedTail I'm shooting Muzzys now But can not get them even close.... I refuse to hunt with my Xbow until I can atleast get some sort of pattern. Then I could move my group to the point that I want to hit! I'm going to the shop this evening to to see if maybe I have a bad bow or something!

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Yes Mitch, using a scope will add to your accuracy, but as I've said in the past I'm a firm believer in practicing with what you'll be hunting with, and that's not field points! I use Spitfire 100gr expandables on a Horton 2216 bolt with my Yukon SL 150 (old school) and get nice tight groups! ;)

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bigboyky: The two premier scopes for xbows are the Excal V-Zone and the 10 pt w/ lit reticules in either green or red or nothing. I prefer the V-Zone, got 3, but that 10 pt has some advantages worth considering. I like the fact that I can be dead nuts from 10-50 w/ V-zone, but have had instances where the lit reticules would have been a huge help. Personal choice comes in here. I'm shooting 431 gr GT LII's w/ Slick Tricks. And, outta 3 xbows from 290 fps to 328 fps. My results w/ this setup are awesome, so if you get real frustrated, got no where else to go, try this setup. It's just a fact of life that some bows shoot better than others. I have no experiences w/ your bow to share w/ you. Good luck to ya!!

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I bought some Lazer 2s and was goofing around with them this week end. The were 20 and 22 inch long. I am surpised at how they can like broadheads. The 20 inch Lazers do not like Magnus Stingers and the 22 inch do, go figure! If you are doing everything we are suggesting, try something else. My 2117 shafts like just about anything. Come to think about it I have some 2216s I haven't tried yet.

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if your field points group....then it's not the bow....fact is, broadheads magnify any flaw in a set-up.

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Ok well.... what has happened is this. I figured out it has to be the b-heads. I now have 2 different bows doing the same exact thing. field points in tight groups and b-heads going where ever they want. So I will try different b-heads. Thanks to all that have listened and tried to help!

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R the B'Head groups tight or loose? Impact point don't matter as u can always sight in. If they're tight just sight in, if they're lose then there is more work to do. Spin test and see if any have any wobble, if it does take thar B'Head off and try on every B;Head u have until it spins right. Do u use the o rings, they really help with that. If u r using fixed blades that r over 1 1/4" wide it is wind planing. Then u need to get smaller B'Heads!

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They aren't grouping at all! If I had any kind of pattern I could just move the sights, but these things are all over the place. I did spin test them all but one looked good. No "O" rings here they are 100gr. 3 blade Muzzy. Bolts are Easton XX75 2216's. At first I thought it was just me, I marked the string to make sure I'm drawing it back correctly. I normally sight in offhand, with this problem I put it on a rest, just to prove it's not the shooter. After having a problem with the safty and taking the Horton back I ended up with a Parker. However the b-heads are still shooting the same. So I've figured that I either need smaller b-heads or heavier bolts. Which do you all think would be better?

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Mitch, give the 100gr Spitfire's a try, I think they'll help big time!;) They don't use "O" rings either.:)

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Go get some mechanials, make sure they don't open before hitting the target and go and wack something. When you have some time straighten out your problems. Try someone else's broadheads. Are the blades tight? Do the broadheads have excess clearance? Are they the same shafts you used with the target tips?

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Tobe honest its your broad head go to mechanicals they will fly just likw a field point i dont care what anybody says. ive killed alot of deer with mechs and with fixed blades they can make your arrow travel else where.