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Alert: Anti-hunters could be using this site for research
If you don't know anything about bowhunting and wanted to find a site on the web to do some research on it, what would be one of the first addresses you would try? www.bowhunting.com Be careful how you folks respond to some of these "What do you do?" or "Have you ever?" threads in light of the fact that the Humane Society is trying to get bowhunting banned. There's been a lot of "RESEARCH" questions from newbies here lately.
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There was a king once that entertained 2 men from another kingdom. After they left a wise man visited the king and the king said “2 guys from that kingdom yonder came over”. The wise man said, “What did you show them." He said “Everything” to which the wise man said, “You fool, now they will come back and take everything”. Damned if they didn’t.
Moral of the story: Brag about personal things to people you don’t know and what you have may be taken away from you. |
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Say it like it is, don't lie, be able to explain what you believe and why and thats all you can do. I'll make no apologies for shooting animals through the lungs so they bleed to death in a very quick manner. I'm a hunter, its what I do
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Don't we go onto PETA's and HSUS's websites doing our own research? I really enjoy looking at some of the outrageous - if not absolutely insane - comments they put on their sites. Sometimes it's hard to believe human beings can be so twisted...
For example, a few years ago, they wanted humanity to commit mass suicide and give the planet back to the animals. I waited and waited for them to lead by example, but it never happened. ;) |
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ORIGINAL: datamax Say it like it is, don't lie, be able to explain what you believe and why and thats all you can do. I'll make no apologies for shooting animals through the lungs so they bleed to death in a very quick manner. I'm a hunter, its what I do |
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It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave." Don't make the mistake of thinking they have any sense of personal honor or integrity. They have proven they will lie, cheat, steal, harass, vandalize, commit arson, assault, even MURDER to further their own objectives. I hold even the more benign ones among them just as guilty as the extremists, because they support the nutcases with money. |
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post, but do it intelligently. have reasons, for what you do and don't do. facts are a killer to folks like that. I have written several rebuttal editorials to these folks in local papers in pa. they really don't like it when their beliefs are proven wrong by hard facts. really miffs them.
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Most of those PETA people let emotion, not facts dictate their actions and opinions. Unfortunately, I have seen that also in this forum when people debate their weapons of choice and downgrade others. It's nice to have different opinions, but people need to respect other's opinions.
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Be careful how you folks respond to some of these "What do you do?" or "Have you ever?" threads in light of the fact that the Humane Society is trying to get bowhunting banned. There's been a lot of "RESEARCH" questions from newbies here lately ShadowAce, I agree with you 100%. |
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I agree with some of the statements here. I am a bowhunter. I love the sport and am not ashamed of what I do. HOWEVER, there are on occasion statements made, and things brought up that is just fuel for the PETA fire. These are not normal, rational thinking people for the most part. They will take what you say and make it into a horrific statement and use it against anyone who carries a bow or any other weapon into the woods each year.
I for one don't want to see me, or any of my fellow board members words on one of their sites made into some goofy statement about anyone who hunts is a blood thirsty, kill anything that moves psycho-path. These people are a real threat, and we must treat it as though our rights as sportsman and bowhunters is in danger. If we let it go, it could be. Hell, just ask a couple other country's who's rights have been stripped. I am not surprised one bit that people from PETA and other organizations visit this site. We must always becareful of what we say. But like I said, don't be ashamed of what we do. There is nothing wrong with it. Our ancestors did it to survive. Thank goodness for that or none of us would be here. |
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I watch hunting videos all the time and they show alot of misses and everyone gets a good laugh. I"m wanting some feed back on not so great hits and unrecovered deer. How often does it happen? |
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ShadowAce,
You might be right, I just noticed this myself. This is a quote from a post by IllinoisBoy: "Maybe I can get some numbers from some of you bowhunters that have hunted a long time." I'm not pointing any fingers, but, it does sound like something a non-hunter would ask!? YOU BOWHUNTERS?!?! If it is an honest question from IllinoisBoy, I apologize. I'm just SICK of these "animal rights" groups.. I'll bet we (hunters) take better care of the things around us than any of them CLAIM to!! I make it a point to pick up any trash I find no matter where I'm at. As for loosing an animal w/hunting, I have lost one deer, BUT, it wasn't from a poor shot.. It went onto the neighboring property next to where I used to hunt & the a-hole wouldn't let me retrieve the deer. Later, Phil B. |
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Amen to Arthur. Guys have no fear there are way too many deer and way to much damage deer are doing to ban hunting. The deer need to be controled and bow hunting is the safe and ethical way to go.
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ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse Amen to Arthur. Guys have no fear there are way too many deer and way to much damage deer are doing to ban hunting. The deer need to be controled and bow hunting is the safe and ethical way to go. PS: They are going to use the numbers game against bowhunters in the management argument. Meaning the percentage of total harvest taken. Not high enough to justify in their minds. |
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I went and checked out a PETA site because honestly i've never seen one before. It was interesting to say the least but I had to laugh about their whole outlook. However, I was raised to respect everyone's opinion and feelings toward things. I think it is rather silly but i do respect their outlooks.
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ORIGINAL: ShadowAce ORIGINAL: datamax Say it like it is, don't lie, be able to explain what you believe and why and thats all you can do. I'll make no apologies for shooting animals through the lungs so they bleed to death in a very quick manner. I'm a hunter, its what I do |
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It's not those type things I am referring to. It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave." Burying our head in the sand, pretending these things don't exist ......... is worse than anything else we can do |
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PS: They are going to use the numbers game against bowhunters in the management argument. Meaning the percentage of total harvest taken. Not high enough to justify in their minds. Liberal judges, ShadowAce? I'd say liberal activist judges, actually. They're boils on society's arse, for certain. But, just like the anti's themselves, they're nothing more than a symptom of the social rot that's afflicting this country. Look at gay marriage, for instance. It's common sense that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because of liberal activist judges, that's not the case any more. Now we have to write laws and make Constitutional amendments to mandate what used to be common sense. These anti's are people who have lost all contact with common sense and feel some misguided need to take action - even going so far as resorting to terrorism - to force everyone else to abandon common sense as well. Red Hawk says he respects their opinion, even though he thinks the opinion is 'silly'. The problem with them is, they do NOT respect anybody else's opinion. In fact, they have nothing but contempt for differing opinions. They're despicable antisocial degenerants as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, they're well financed and well organized despicable antisocial degenerants. Organization... There's a laugh. They've been consolidating their power bases over the past decade while we... What have WE been doing? Pope and Young Club was the voice of bowhunters for many years. Hardly anybody shows the slightest bit of respect for P&Y now, because so many so-called bowhunters don't respect P&Y. In fact, most bowhunters won't even support their state bowhunting organizations, for some petty reason or other. In other words, bowhunters are a disorganized mob with no central lobbying agency and no political clout. We bowhunters are our own worst enemy. When the battle is joined, we'll be going into it completely unarmed. That's what you need to be afraid of, ShadowAce. Not the anti's, not liberal activist judges. It's our own stupidity that you need to fear. |
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Hardly anybody shows the slightest bit of respect for P&Y now, because so many so-called bowhunters don't respect P&Y. |
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Shadowace,
I agree with you on liberal judges but there is something even more dangerous. Liberal teachers and teacher's unions. My six year old came home from school asking about vegetarians. Then after a few questions I realized someone had conned her into thinking red meat was bad for her. My wife and I explained to her the concept of a balanced diet. I never got her to tell me where at school she had heard that, but it's not a concept that came out of another six year old's mouth! We will be doing some more investigating on that. We may be home schooling her if this is the kind of stuff that we can expect. |
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ORIGINAL: Arthur P PS: They are going to use the numbers game against bowhunters in the management argument. Meaning the percentage of total harvest taken. Not high enough to justify in their minds. Liberal judges, ShadowAce? I'd say liberal activist judges, actually. They're boils on society's arse, for certain. But, just like the anti's themselves, they're nothing more than a symptom of the social rot that's afflicting this country. Look at gay marriage, for instance. It's common sense that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because of liberal activist judges, that's not the case any more. Now we have to write laws and make Constitutional amendments to mandate what used to be common sense. These anti's are people who have lost all contact with common sense and feel some misguided need to take action - even going so far as resorting to terrorism - to force everyone else to abandon common sense as well. Red Hawk says he respects their opinion, even though he thinks the opinion is 'silly'. The problem with them is, they do NOT respect anybody else's opinion. In fact, they have nothing but contempt for differing opinions. They're despicable antisocial degenerants as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, they're well financed and well organized despicable antisocial degenerants. Organization... There's a laugh. They've been consolidating their power bases over the past decade while we... What have WE been doing? Pope and Young Club was the voice of bowhunters for many years. Hardly anybody shows the slightest bit of respect for P&Y now, because so many so-called bowhunters don't respect P&Y. In fact, most bowhunters won't even support their state bowhunting organizations, for some petty reason or other. In other words, bowhunters are a disorganized mob with no central lobbying agency and no political clout. We bowhunters are our own worst enemy. When the battle is joined, we'll be going into it completely unarmed. That's what you need to be afraid of, ShadowAce. Not the anti's, not liberal activist judges. It's our own stupidity that you need to fear. |
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ORIGINAL: datamax It's not those type things I am referring to. It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave." Burying our head in the sand, pretending these things don't exist ......... is worse than anything else we can do |
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ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse Amen to Arthur. Guys have no fear there are way too many deer and way to much damage deer are doing to ban hunting. The deer need to be controled and bow hunting is the safe and ethical way to go. Even a fool is seen as possessing intelligence when he remains silent. |
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Red Hawk says he respects their opinion, even though he thinks the opinion is 'silly'. The problem with them is, they do NOT respect anybody else's opinion. |
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ORIGINAL: datamax Burying our head in the sand, pretending these things don't exist ......... is worse than anything else we can do Jack It's not called burying your head in the sand, it's called being smart. The time to address those things is when you see it and when you see people advocating it on a public forum. |
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ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN Shadowace, I agree with you on liberal judges but there is something even more dangerous. Liberal teachers and teacher's unions. My six year old came home from school asking about vegetarians. Then after a few questions I realized someone had conned her into thinking red meat was bad for her. My wife and I explained to her the concept of a balanced diet. I never got her to tell me where at school she had heard that, but it's not a concept that came out of another six year old's mouth! We will be doing some more investigating on that. We may be home schooling her if this is the kind of stuff that we can expect. |
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It's not those type things I am referring to. It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave."  |
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ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC It's not those type things I am referring to. It's the "How many deer have you failed to recover?" or "What do you leave in the woods?" type threads that concern me. Something they can twist into legal ammo. Such as "These are the numbers of deer that are not recovered every year" or, "Hunters litter the woods with all their garbage when they leave."
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Nah, teachers. It doesn't matter if they are liberal or not, their union is. That's the people that push the agendas of PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, et al.
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ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN Nah, teachers. It doesn't matter if they are liberal or not, their union is. That's the people that push the agendas of PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, et al. Maybe it's their dentists that make them do it? Could be their insurance agents or ministers. |
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ORIGINAL: Jack Ryan ORIGINAL: GRIZZLYMAN Nah, teachers. It doesn't matter if they are liberal or not, their union is. That's the people that push the agendas of PETA, Humane Society, ACLU, et al. Maybe it's their dentists that make them do it? Could be their insurance agents or ministers. I guess, at least here in Texas the NEA has pushed some liberal positions on issues. Maybe it does originate from teachers, but I have a lot of relatives that teach from the elementary school level all the way through college. They are a mixed bag of liberals and conservatives. |
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I wouldn't worry about this too much, the majority of posts here are good and shouldn't put hunting in a bad light.
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Looks like it going on here guys
dont cast your pearls before swine What do you leave in the woods ? give you a hint , it smells like peta , especialy if I had chile for dinner . |
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I've brought this same point up about some of the TV specials and I'm not talkng about our channels like Outdoor or OLN. It's expected there, but when a rancher on that Hogzilla NGC special, shot a hog with a M-14 and had him sqealing and flippin on film I could only imagine what they were planning to do with it. I love to stand up for what I believe as well, but we have to do it smart and in a way that it cannot be used to take anything from us. It's called strategy and sometimes you gotta duck. One step back can lead to ten steps foward. It was a good reminder ShadowAce!
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