I do believe I found a new hunting release!?
 

After quite a few seasons and thousands upon thousands of shots I actually think I found a replacement for my good ol' Scott Rhino release........[:-]
While attending a 3D shoot this past weekend a guy in my club had a release sitting unopened in a package that I recognized but never really took a good look at, I got to looking at it more closely and he said " It's for sale, I can't shoot it because of a problem with my hand"
What's the release you ask? I'm getting there relax.:D

Sooooooo.........Here was my chance to see what it was all about. I am a 3D shooter and shoot all the time, all the time with a thumb trigger T-handle style release. I am so much more accurate with a T handle release shooting back tension that I have always WANTED to hunt with it but never trusted it because of the location of the trigger, the sensitivity of the trigger and the noise of the double sear going off with it's loud CLICK!
So I continued to just keep shooting my index release as best as I could with back tension, but man it really is hard to keep from just squeezing that trigger and the difference in accuracy between the 2 styles just never really sat well with me. Nothing terrible but just not equal to my hand held releases.

Not anymore.

I took the release my fellow club member was selling with the intention of trying it out, and after 11 straight X's on the very first 3D course with it I couldn't get back fast enough to give him the money![:-]
I can shoot it with perfect back tension as accurately as my thumb trigger models, no fear of it snagging on a face mask and going off, can't drop it, no loud noise, nothing.

I can take all that off season practice and just slide right into hunting season now seamlessly. You thumb trigger guys in the same boat, hunting with a different release need to give it a try.
Also ANY average index release shooter who already shoots a string loop IMO would benefit greatly from this release design due to it's absolute ease of shooting with back tension.....it's hard to punch due to the design, location of trigger within the hand and forces applied while anchored, MUCH harder to punch than any index release I've ever shot.
I don’t think I’ve heard of ANYONE on here shooting this release?

You just anchor, apply pressure to the trigger and pull through the shot like you would any other hand held design, the design takes care of the rest.......BAM! surprise release and terrific accuracy. I'm happy as a clam right now.:)

Ok enough already, here it is:
Copper John "Eagle" 4 finger "swept"


The design is super simple, single sear, easy to hook up (must use a string loop) and best of all EASY to shoot with back tension, and you can shoot it QUICKLY if need be WITH back tension. You don’t draw using the strap, the strap just keeps you from dropping the release. IF you draw WITH the strap and pull against it instead of the release itself you wind up fighting proper back tension. Just shoot it like any other T-Handle style.
Just thought I’d share a little “discovery” from this past weekend! It’s good stuff. Any questions about it just let me know.

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I had one of those and they are dangerous. I busted my face drawing it back. I had to get surgery to repair the nerves. The surgery was unsuccessful; I cannot feel my face. You should send me that release to test. I could see if it is as faulty as the last. If it goes off then I won't feel it. Let me know!:D

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Yes, I was thinking about picking that release up for when I start hunting next season. I've been shooting a carter thumb trigger and really hate going back to my index trigger for hunting season. I would use it during hunting season and apply the same shot as I do for 3-d but I don't trust myself with the open hook in the heat of the moment of a hunting situation. I'll definately give it a try.

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Matt:

Yes, I have tried it and like it a lot. If you like that one, you should try its 'big brother', the Stan 4 finger with the double sear. Wow, what a sweet shooter. And, from what I remember, you can shoot either w/o a string loop. That little hole just across from the jaw is for a rope.;)

The only reason that I still like the Rhino, which I think you introduced to me, is because I can load it without looking down or in complete darkness. When shooting out of a blind, where it is very dark inside, I find this quality to be very beneficial. Of course, this benefit holds true with any of the 'loop hook' releases.:)

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Hey look at that....:D
Ok you don't need a string loop, but you would need release rope.

I looked at the "Double Eagle" CJ , is this the same as the Stan double sear model? It IS a sweet shooter, but it just feels like a monstrosity in my hand. It's a big release.

Yeah it was me who got you onto the Rhino.....and what you mentioned about the loading is the ONLY sticking point in favor of the Rhino Vs. this style for my tastes.
I still like it as much as I am EVER going to like an index release, but I love the T handle designs.
I think this Eagle release would be great for teaching someone what back tension shooting WITH a trigger should feel like.

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Yup, it's the Double Eagle. I tried one about a year ago and liked it a lot. I've shot many different 'tournament' styles, but this one peaked my interest.

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This is timely. I was looking at some tonight but couldn't decide on one. This post would've only been better if it would've been posted last night.:D

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If you read the directions it says to use the strap to draw......;)

I have a hard time drawing with it in my hand without going off.......Plus holding my middle finger up makes folks around me mad..........:D

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I have the regular Eagle by CJ (<first one they came out with) and I love using that one for 3d. The only reason I haven't tried it for hunting yet is the loud "click" I get at release. The hook snaps back far eneough to make a VERY noticeable click at the shot.
How do the new 4fingers sound?

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Matt,

Its a nice release and I have sold a few to customers who got a little out of control with there trigger finger:)

I hope it works out for you - but I am a TRUE believer in every new gizmo works great for 3 days............................lol.........then the ole mind picks it apart.

If you force yourself to NEVER punch the thing - and set it up right so your back can set it off - every time - you will shoot well with it:D

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I believe in spite of CJ’s directions, that drawing WITH the strap is wrong. (I think that’s in their attempt to appeal to hunters) I tried it both ways to see for myself, and when drawn with the strap, if it’s short enough to have your hand in the proper position it’s too easy to pull with a large portion of your back tension against the strap itself which is VERY counterproductive to shooting it properly. It also makes it much slower to fire because you don't realize you are not pulling against the trigger like you should.
Then if you make the strap long enough that it is of no influence at full draw and then draw using it, when you try to make the transition from strap to putting your hand pressure on the handle it is already to far out on your fingers.

IMO this thing should be shot exactly like I describe, draw with your hand just like you would any free floating T-handle design and simply use the strap to keep from dropping it. The strap hurts what the release is all about if you use it.
I just draw with my middle finger riding alongside the head and pull with the other 3 fingers. If you can’t draw your bow comfortably with 3 fingers than you are drawing too much weight.
I would say that if you you can't figure out how it SHOULD feel, remove the strap and shoot it that way for a while.......you will quickly feel how it is supposed to be shot.

The reason I think many releases feel “foreign” to a lot of people is that they don’t shoot the one they have properly. I see Soooooooooo many index release shooters shooting with the trigger way out front and they have to stretch their index finger out to the tip and shoot like that.
To shoot any release properly, index or T-Handle , the direction of the force applied by your finger or fingers needs to be basically over the face of the trigger and the force should be straight back through a line with your elbow pulling with your back muscles.
Index shooters should drape their index finger in front of the trigger freely, relax the hand and pull straight back against the trigger.
A T handle release should also not be out into your finger tips.

One thing to note with these styles of releases, Index and T-handle if shot with proper anchors do not share a common peep height.
If you try to make them each work around the same peep height ONE of them is going to feel very uncomfortable.
IMO if you are sharing a common peep height between the 2 styles then one of the 2 is being shot with an improper anchor point.

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Very good point!!!!

If you load all the weight onto the strap there is no way to get it to go off unless you squeeze your fingers to do it.

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Well you got me. Just got off the phone with Cabelas and my Copper John is on the way.

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Just an FYI.....
This is gonna sound stupid and obvious to you guys with T-Handle release experience, but I'm not sure all the index release guys realize that you anchor very differently with this style release.
You don't anchor with the palm of your hand toward yur face......you need to rotate your hand , so that the back of your hand is toward your face and you actually anchor against the backside of your knuckles with your face.

If you try to shoot this in the same hand position as an index /wrist strap release you're gonna be a mess.:D

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Has anyone tried hunting with either the Chappy Boss or one of the other TRU Ball T-Handle releases? I shot a Cascade Model 8 for a while, and I loved the "relax release" style, but would never try to hunt with something that only has that little horn attached to the string loop. I want to know if the TRU Ball heads work well, and how it is using your thumb to pull the trigger?
I don't think I could get used to shooting with my middle finger, especially that low on the finger.

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i hunt with a truball exteme with a talon head with the rope taken off. its the new extreme that you don't cock. it operates like the prodiamond but with the extreme handle and saves you about .5" of drawlength that the daimond costs. its reliable, solid, and accurate. its also quiet. no click.
either pulling the trigger with your thumb or squeezing your pinky and ring finger causing it to rotate in your hand are very reliable and accurate methods of firing it. however, learning to relax your hand, arm, bicep, and shoulder, oh the glory of the relaxed shoulder, and useing back tension and a slightly relaxing hand to let it release at some point are more accurate. but in a pinch you could punch the crud out of it and know where your arrow was going.