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Center Fire 03-18-2005 04:47 PM

WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
I just got a new bow. I am a beginner, So I do not Know much about bow hunting. I have fired around 50 arrows out of it but every time I release an arrow directly aimed at the target, without sights, It jumps high and to the left of the target... PLEASE any information on this problem would be greatly appriciated. THANKS FOR THE HELP!!!

atlasman 03-18-2005 04:58 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
You are gonna have to give a ton more info then that for someone to help you.

My first thought is.........get a sight ;)

Arthur P 03-18-2005 06:16 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Ah, baloney! Don't listen to that underachiever. [8D]

You don't need no stinkin' sights! If you want to shoot without sights (my favorite way, especially now that my eyes are so bad I can't see sight pins anyway;)), I highly recommend getting a copy of Byron Ferguson's book "Become the Arrow". It's slanted toward traditional bows but the aiming method he teaches works even better for the compound. In fact, are you using a recurve or longbow or a compound?

Right now there are so many things that can be causing your problem that it's impossible to diagnose it over the net. Your bow may not be tuned properly. You may not be establishing a good anchor directly under your master eye. You don't say whether you are shooting with your fingers or mechanical release but, if fingers, you might not have the correct type of arrow rest on the bow. If fingers, you might have a problem with your release technique. You might not have the correct arrows for the bow.

How about listing all the particulars about your bow and arrows. What kind of bow? What draw weight and what draw length? How long are your arrows and what brand and size are they? Do you shoot fingers or do you use a release? What kind of rest is on the bow?

That's enough to get us to square one.

Taking your stuff to an archery shop and asking them for help might be your best option at this point.

Center Fire 03-18-2005 06:47 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Bow type: Compound
Draw wieght: 50 pounds
Brand: High country Archey-premier force
Arrow rest:Monarch-archer's edge
Arrow Brand:Arrow dynamics-nitro stinger
Flething:Duravane3-D (Plastic)
Arrow length:26.5
Release: Fingers


I just had my bow tuned at a professional bow shop, It is in perfect condition, And I just can't figure out what my problem is... I hope that this is enough info for you to help me. THANK YOU!!!




P.S.How do I find my draw length?

P.S.S. I have limb savers attatched...

Rhody Hunter 03-18-2005 07:00 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
the bow shop should be able to help you with your draw length.I'd second
get sights and a release.The shop should assist with your shot technique

Fieldmouse 03-18-2005 07:14 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Center fire I will do it with you. I posted a thread about a week or so ago about being bored with my compound. My customer sugested I loose my sights. I'm going to do just that. I will loose my sights this week and figure it out. I will be buying the book. I need the challenge.

Matt / PA 03-18-2005 09:06 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Centerfire........guess what? If you are shooting without sights and EVERY shot is going high and left for you?........your doing something CONSISTANT, and consistant is good!
:D
Many of us learned without sights, and know some darn fine compound shooters who shoot instinctively......that has never left me as I learned that way and can honestly strip off my sights and be doing pretty well within minutes.
I learned alot about the basics of archery without sights that carried over into the days when I started competing etc.

Get up close and figure out where you need to hold and aim and think about each shot and trying to do things the same each time and you'll start to see those arrows heading for the center.

nodog 03-18-2005 09:54 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Aim lower and to the right.:D

gibblet 03-18-2005 09:59 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 

ORIGINAL: nodog

Aim lower and to the right.:D
or move your target, one or the other.

mike838 03-19-2005 05:41 AM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
when i shoot my recurve. i tend too shoot high.so instead of holding the string with 2 fingers below and 1 finger on top of the arrow. i just use 2 fingers below the arrow. that worked for me on my recurve. dont know if it will help on your compound though.and i am only shooting 55lb on my recurve. :D

Arthur P 03-19-2005 05:59 AM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
I gotcha Centerfire. Your biggest problem is the rest.



The Monarch is a launcher rest. Even worse, it's the lizard tongue type. It's made strictly for shooting with a mechanical release.

When shooting with fingers, the arrow flexes side to side during the launch. We call it 'archers paradox'. Fingers shooters need a rest that gives lateral support to the arrow. Without that support the arrow will not launch straight toward where you're aiming.

One of the very best fingers shooting rests is the old reliable springie. This one is mounted on a cushion plunger to give a lot of adjustability to how much side resistance you give the arrow. Costs about $12. (Best used with feather fletched arrows though...)



Another of my favorites is the Cavalier FreeFlyte Micro. This is the one I've got on my compound. Centershot is micro adjustable. It costs around $36.



There are tubfulls of other fingers rests out there, mostly made by Golden Key Futura. www.goldenkeyarchery.com

Once you replace that rest with something compatible to shooting with fingers, you'll be in a lot better shape.

Center Fire 03-19-2005 09:42 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Yes, My monarch arrow rest is the exact same model in your picture, but the exact part that the shaft rests on looks more like this:




Arthur P 03-19-2005 09:59 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
I wondered if they offered that rest with prongs too. But for your purposes, it doesn't make any difference. Even with the prongs instead of the lizard tongue, it's still a dedicated release rest. You really, REALLY need a rest designed for fingers shooting. Another decent rest that won't force you to take out a mortgage to get one is the NAP Centerest Flipper. And the centershot will also have to be adjusted differently for shooting fingers. Rather than having the arrow perfectly centered with the string, like I'm sure they did when they tuned the bow for that rest, the centershot will need to adjusted out a bit, so that when you eyeball the string centered in the track of the cams, you can see the tip of the arrow riding outside the string. Like it shows in this illustration:



Just how far the arrow will need to be set outboard will depend on arrow spine and how clean your release is.

Just curious... When you bought that setup, did you tell the guy at the shop you intended to shoot fingers?

Center Fire 03-19-2005 10:07 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
I got the bow at a pawn shop...


I am looking into shooting mecanically, will my arrow rest work?

Arthur P 03-19-2005 10:13 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
If you get a release then that rest will probably work fine. I say 'probably' because I've never heard of that maker before and know absolutely nothing about their products. If it's a decent quality rest then you'll be good to go.

Center Fire 03-19-2005 10:18 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
My rest is a Monarch, but it looks like the one in this picture:


Arthur P 03-19-2005 10:24 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
I'm saying I'm very familiar with that TYPE of rest, just not the relative quality of that particular manufacturer's products. Sometimes certain brands don't function as reliably as others. Maybe someone else on the forum does know about Monarch rests and can give you the real lowdown on them.

Center Fire 03-19-2005 10:28 PM

RE: WHY,WHY,WHY!!!
 
Arthur P,


THANKS FOR YOUR HELP... It is GREATLY appreciated...


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