I think that we can all agree that it makes for some interesting conversation though Josh.

I am not saying count the button towards your buck tag but rather on the year end harvest report.

Whether it is juvenile or mature it is a buck none the less. I believe buttons should be represented as a buck on the year end harvest data rather than antlerless.

I would like to know how many bucks were killed, not just antlered bucks in my harvest report.

If 50,000 buttons were killed out of the 200,000 antlerless harvest that is 50,000 less antlered bucks the following year.

As I said I believe counting does doe fawns and button as antlerless throws off the actual sex ratio harvest when reading the harvest data.

Thats for sure!

I see that we are on the same page now. How is the year end data collected in Ohio? Here in Idaho you are not allowed to purchase next years lisc. unless you turn in a report which asks all the needed info to set up next years harvest and also the buck to does ratios. Winter is also a big factor for us and they are constantly tracking the collared fawns to determine mortality for any given year. It is a tough task, especially now that the wolves are gobbling up their share. When I was growing up in NY I remember that we had to put the sex of the animal on the antlerless reports also. Button buck, doe etc. At that time you could put an antlered buck on a doe tag in that state which I beleive is not legal anymore. What part of Ohio are you from? I have relatives from Circleville to Deleware?

When you said counted on your original post I thought that you meant as on your tag, I get a little scatter brained from time to time. I think it comes from high altitude hunting.

I live up in the NE part of the state. Trumbull county.

We have to take our deer to a check station. At the check station they fill out the paper work for the deer. They do mark if it is a button but only publish the report as antlered or antlerless.(or I should say the only reports I have saw)

Winter is not such a factor here. It may take the weak or sick deer out of hte herd but our winters are not that harsh. Although it has been rather cold winter this year.

Buckeye,I used to drive through that area alot. My grandmother lives in Columbus and I used to drive from the Rochester New York area where I grew up at, to visit her. I haven't been in Ohio for a long time but can still almost taste the coconut spread from Stuckey's. I have lived in Idaho this time for almost 9 years and will never leave again. I have grown to love hunting in areas that have size limits on the bucks. I took a couple of guys from back east out mulie hunting and we bagged a 150 class 3 point and a 170 class 4 point in one of these areas this past year. I have grown to love desert deer hunting but still IMO nothing beats a big ole bull elk on the ground.

Sounds like the place to be for mulies. Couple of nice ones there.

Now you want to talk about antler restrictions...... I am all for em[8D]

I have hunted in many areas that have antler restrictions. We have ALOT of public land and there are areas geared towards meat harvesting and trophy hunting. One of which I used this year because of lack of time. The areas that have antler restrictions produce 200 class bucks. I like to draw in these areas but will usually not hold out for the big big boys. I will however take nice bucks every time I draw on these hunts.150-180 class bucks are the average for these areas. We do have a hunt with no antler restictions that is bowhunting only for the late season and is set up on a winter migration route and during the rut. It is not uncommon to see 200-300 deer in a day. 20- 30 will be bucks and 4-5 will be way up in p&y. I start bowhunting the 15th of August for antelope and can hunt big game all the way until the end of the year for hoofed creatures and can shoot cats until march. In april bear opens until June, we have a break from June until the 30th of august and the cycle starts all over. A guy has to learn to pace himself out here. No you can see why I will never leave again. Although I am going out of state to hunt with Stealthman this year. I haven't chased white-tails in a while.

We got whities and turkeys here for bowhunting. Thats it, you guys got it all out there.

We do grow some good deer here though no complaints there from me

I'm afraid I'd have to say NO I wouldn't consider them as buck's .These fawn's buck or doe's are our future and if we considered them as buck's here in Ont I'm afraid it would hurt our deer herd's considerably .When we purchase our tag's we are given a buck tag automatically and then we have to put into a draw to draw a doe tag.Some area's have a considerable amount of doe's and fawn's ,these area's hand out a good surplas of doe tag's, but other area's it's almost impossible to get doe tag's .

nubo

Lets see, to name a few -elk, mountain goat, bighorn, moose, white-tail, mule deer, antelope, bear, cougar, 3 species of turks, bobcat. I can't even begin to start naming the small game species. I would fill this page with them and the rest of the fur bearers. I managed to take and antelope buck, mule deer buck, bull elk and 2 turkies last year. I ended up with a quarter of a moose for heping out a friend. I am getting ready to start baiting bears this spring.