i love pse dont know much about others

Check out the CougarIII , it will impress anyone who takes the time to try one out. I was amazed at it's overall shootability in how it felt in my hand before , during , and after the shot. Martin has more innovations (patents) than any other bow mfg. Some of Martins earlier patents have been tweaked here and there only to be called new "innovations" by another mfg.

Imo Martin is second to none in the quality product dept.!

jag mag for 2years loved it ...never had an issue

I shoot a hoyt and love it. I have friends who have martins and they seem to be good bows but if your you like your hoyt better stay with that brand because if anything goes wrong or everytime you make a bad shot you will wish you had your hoyt. check out the classifieds you can save alot of money on top notch bows.

Spike, as a staff shooter for Martin I have a little experience. Not a lot, but maybe can help you through this. First let me say that your man at the local shop is right. Martin bows do have aluminum risers. And so do about 95% of all the other bows. So that is not even a consideration here. They do have as good a quality in materials and workmanship as I've found in other bows, regardless of price or reputation.

I would suggest you shoot a lot of bows before buying. You have to determine what you want to use the bow for primarily and choose accordingly. If it's primarily a hunting bow then I would not necessarily recommend a SlayR. I shoot one and it's a real speed burner. I consider it on the heavy side for hunting. It makes a great 3D bow.

Depending on what you can or want to spend, I would look at the Cougar III on the high end of the price range. The Orion or Quest would be a good choice also. Of the two I like the quest. If going with the Cougar I would recommend the Nitrous cam for outright speed. It's a two cam system but don't let all the old myths deter you from two cams. If choosing the other two I would probably go for the TruArc cam. It's slower but just easier to shoot than the single cam.

If you have a proshop that carries Martin then Do some serious looking at the RazorX or the Saber. These are two nice shooter. Here agin, the Razor is available with the Nitrous cam, but in a longer ATA. More in the hunting version both bows are to be had in the TruArc cam. If you want the more accurate then I'd have to say the Saber for all around performance, speed and forgiveness. It's just a complete package in one bow.

For the most part you should find the bows fairly vibration free (there is always some) and pretty quiet, too. Of all the bows I mentioned above I think the Cougar would be the most expensive at a normal retail of about $500 to $529. So that should give you an idea of what to expect.

May I suggest a Reflex if you like the Hoyt technology. It is a Hoyt bow at discount price.

nice ads as well.

I just got a used SlayR at an unbelievable price from the classifieds on archerytalk. I couldn't be happier. It has the nitrous cams. Very smooth drawing bow, and very fast.

I will be taking my SlayR into the woods in the fall. With the name like "SlayR," why not take it into the woods!

My last bow was a Jag Mag and it was great, killed a lot of deer with that bow. The only reason I got rid of it was buy a new toy, bought one of the high end $600 super bows. Really isnt much different from the $250 Martin bow. The deer cant tell the difference when an arrow is zipping through the boiler room..

I had a martin Pantera and loved it.