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Is there anyone on here that hunts in West Virginia? If so, you may not be the only one'(s) who are complaining about the scarcity of deer in the Mountain State.
With the state's DNR doing a poor job of managing the states deer herd, many hunters are venturing into the woods and not seeing very many deer like in the past. I West Virginia a deerhunter can harvest as many as (9) deer a season, that's entirely too many deer being killed, therefore leading to the low kill numbers as well weaking the strength of the deer population. West Virginia, like it's neighbor Pennsylvania, needs to set restrictions of points on bucks as well as decrease the number of does being slaughtered in order to bring back the deer hunting in West Virginia like it was before, if not, the state is going to see a drastic decline in not only deer but hunters as well.

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I also hunt in WV, and I haven't seen very many deer at all this year(only two bucks). I relly agree with you on the doe and buck hunting. An antler restriction would be nice, and you shouldn't be able to kill so many does. I think the hunting would really inprove if all this was done.

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I totally agree with you BigBuck. Something needs to be done about our deer hunting in WV before it's too late. Entirely too many does being slaughtered. I'm NOT sold on Ed Hamrick's way of decreasing the numbers in order to better our Buck herd, it's total BS. I live in Morgantown and hunt in Monongalia County and it's really gotten bad around these parts. I purchased a Pennsylvania lic. this year and saw more deer (especially bucks) in 3 days of hunting than I've seen in West Virginia in the last 4 years. I might mention, the place where I was hunting in PA is just 10 minutes from West Virginia and where I hunt.

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Hey guys, I live in Mercer County and it has been the worst year I have had in over 10 years. I havent saw a buck at all and I have hunted. I am disabled and do not own a 4 wheeler so I cant get way back in the mountains like I used to but I still hunt at least 50 or more days a year. My disability is my heart. I havent saw as many does this whole year as I used to see in a day of hunting. And we still have several doe days left. I think they want all the deer gone.

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Wow,so you guys aren't the only ones huh?Pa is doing the same thing.The public lands are depleted of deer yet more and more private land is getting posted/leased so the landowners can still have a few deer left to hunt.I'm afraid the tree huggers have taken over policy and we're left out in the cold.

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I am fortunate enough to hunt in the 4 bow-only counties in WV. There has been a 1 deer limit in McDowell county for years, and they recent changed it to 2 with one being antlerless. I hunt on a 330 acre tract of private land which ties in with tousands of acres of public land. I have seen a rapid downfall in daytime deer activity over the past few years. I believe this is due to a rise in "natural" predators in the area but it is legal to kill yotes and wild dogs, so that problem is being handled slowly but surely!! My point is in WV the 4 bowhunt only county are the place to go!! And if you dont believe me just take a look at some of my buddy Hankfan's posts!! He is hard at em in Mcdowell and the trail cam pics he posts on this site proves it.

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My farm is in Braxton County, and we're hurting, too. Nobody seems to be listening. All you hear that the number of deer/car accidents is still up there.

The 9 deer limit is a problem...Also the fact that you can shoot 5 spikes if you feel the need is a joke, too.

In 2001, we had a HUGE winter kill with that ice storm. We may be seeing the wrath of that.

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In october during the 1st week of bow season, me and my buddy got tired of counting the number of deer. Way to many does, not enough bucks (even though that's the only ones that came within bow-range for us). The does need to be shot and quit shooting the little bucks during gun season!

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I have to disagree with you JetBlast. They are letting you kill too many does in West Virginia. I agree, some counties have more does than others within the state but they (DNR) need to get an accurate account of which counties need more does taken and quit guessing and estimating like they have been doing. Another thing about killing all these does is that most hunters in West Virginia are "poaching" deer and not checking deer in, therefore killing all the does on top of that leads to depleting the whole herd. As far as I'm concerned, I think WV needs a antler restriction as well as an accurated account for which counties they need to have doe season ands which counties need to have NO DOE SEASON. Myself, I am a trophy hunter and get no satisfaction out of shooting a doe.

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One thing that I agree with jetblast on is that too many ppl would rather shoot a small yearling buck, then a fat mature doe. That causes a lack in big mature bucks. The state is packed full of "meat hunters" and the way they look at it is if its brown its down. If more of the meat hunters would hold out for a doe....and the DNR would change regs on bag limit, I think WV would be in good shape. The Genes are there for sure, and the nutrition can be alittle sparse at times depending on our mast, but that can be helped out alittle with supplemental feeding during the summer months. The only thing left is AGE!! More ppl should let em walk. Just little more of my 2 cent

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I agree "Antlergetter". (9) deer is entirely too many deer to take. In Pennsylvania, if a hunter kills a buck duing archery season he can't rifle hunt for a buck. PA also has antler restrictions, some counties are 3 to a side, and some 4-points to a side. I know and realize not every WV hunter gets all 9 deer he's allowed but how about the one who thinks he'll get away with killing a couple of does when he doesn't have a tag? It's called poaching and there is alot of it in West Virginia.

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Whatever happened to West Virginia's "Buck Season"? It used to be BUCKS ONLY, now since the WVDNR established foolish regulations, it's now called "OPEN SEASON".
We Mountaineers definately need a change.

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Mason's Ridge, I have to agree with you to a point. When you let hunters hunt with rifles and muzzleloaders for 4 weeks straight and it's open season the deer simply don't stand a chance. However, the bucks are a totally different story. The buck population and size are down due the hunters not the DNR. Most all of the WV hunters I know will not let a one horn spike go as long as it's leal. Also if there is a small spike standing beside a doe most of our hunters will shoot the spike and let the doe go. Then wonder why they never see any big bucks??? No wonder they don't see any big bucks because they shoot all of them before they ever see their 2nd birthday much less mature.

This is why I said the heck with it and started hunting the bow hunting only counties. Yes, it's tough hunting and the deer population is low but I have the woods to myself and the bucks die of old age most of the time. I have killed 2 10 pointers the last 2 seasons there and I don't care if I ever pick my rifle back up. To me it's real hunting in those 4 counties. You, your bow, mature bucks and thousands of acres of public land to hunt. Can it get any better????

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Last year I hunted in Lewis county at the old family farm. Old because when the wifes Grandmother died it was sold out of the family. The guy that owns it is still nice enough to let her uncle and Cousin hunt it each season and last year allowed me as well. Foolish to let it out of the family as it is a gorgeous piece of land. My cousin took a 4PT and I took a doe. My Uncle must have pointed out 3 or 4 spikes over the two days he hunted with me. I couldn't even see the spikes as they were all 75 yds or more away.( Got bi-focals when I got home!) This year my Uncle got a 5 point with a funky looking rack according to his Christmas call the other day. Now after the intro back to what I had to add to the topic.

I was in heaven from a comparison standpoint when it came to seeing deer. I know many folks here in NH that go several years without even seeing a deer . They do put in some time and are good hunters. You see our total deer pop is approx 75,000 and our total kill each year is around 10000 by all methods combined. In WV I videotaped segments each day and caught at least 60 deer in two days on tape. Sure some may have been repeats and the folks here at home were stunned at the amount of deer. I learned a great deal about their behavior and body movement/language etc.. I figured I saw around 200 deer in the 4 days total I was at the property. All running in groups of at least two sometimes as many as 8 nose to ass parading through the woods. Not one that I saw was a buck. Sure my Uncle said a few were spikes but even if they were, the spikes were so small, in open areas I could not see the spikes. Yes I got glasses when I got home but I only had one eye that was off the other one tested perfect.

The evening before my last day I went to Wally World and bought a doe permit. My Uncle who has hunted there his whole life never even knew you could buy a permit to use for does during opening week of rifle. Come to think of it when I mentioned it the night prior to the last day I was to hunt neither did my cousin. I was familiar because I read the DNR web site hunting regs several times. Got ribed for settling for the doe by my Uncle. Told him horn soup ain't to good but and horn steaks are tough on the teeth besides I had to take a doe so the rest of the deer can grow up good and strong and maybe when I come back there will be a fe with antlers.

So yes to wrap it up perhaps they should better educate folks on the availability of doe permits. Put in a 4 point or better antler restriction and shorten the buck season for 5 years to one week for firearms. Leave bow season as is. Make muzzleloader the same as rifle 4 pts or better. Have a 3 day doe season or have 3 consecutive Saturdays of doe only. Make it mandatory to check deer and when they are checked they need to be inspected. Then enforce this. Here in NH the deer needs to be checked and inspected. Most stations charge from 2 to 4 bucks to check your deer. If it is not checked you face a stiff fine and loss of hunting privelages for a few years. Just some suggestions. You know I was down there 4th of July weekend this year and saw a bunch of deer even in the middle of the day and none were bucks either. I love it down there and came close to buying some property in Ritchie county but decided to wait til the job transfers me..

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More does being killed is not the answer for the DNR. I live and hunt in Barbour Co and there are deer everywhere in certain places. Posted property. They do not allow people to hunt even if you ask. No matter how many deer the DNR allows you to kill those deer will remain where they are. As for me I kill 3 spikes all together this year. No a bragging year but I shot what bucks I saw with bow and rifle.
Where I hunt deer are few and far between because it is not posted over a 1000 acre area where I hunt. It is all neighbors who share there land with each other. I would love to see an antler restriction like PA. One bad year and then bucks everywhere.

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Here in Mercer Co in the palces that I hunt even the farmers are saying there are no deer. Not just bucks but also does.On one of them we usually see 50 or more deer daily and this year we havent saw a total of 20 period and no small ones at all. He thinks that the coyotes took a large amount of the young ones but the DNR has allowed too many doe tags in this country here. I hunt 4 different locations in this Co and all are private land and this by far is the worst year I have saw in over 10 years probably even longer. I did take a doe the week of bow season and that was the last chance I have had.

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According to what I hear, the eastern half of the state had GREAT mast, and the western halfs was lackluster. I've seen more deer this year that I've ever had before, and I promise you guys, it'll get better next year. Think of all those deer that arent being seen, which means they arent being shot, and just remember they will be a year older next year. :D

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I've seen more deer this year that I've ever had before, and I promise you guys, it'll get better next year. Josh, I hate to break the bad news to you but I've talked to hunters in Marshall County, Roane, Hampshire, Preston, Raleigh, Monongalia, Logan and Randolph counties and no one saw much of anything, only a few does and little "scrub" racks. The West Virginia DNR is pathetic, they are definately doing more harm than good for our deer hunting in WV. I understand that the mast was bad in a few areas of the state as well as the ever-growing coyote herds killing deer but when the state DNR is handing out extra permits and letting you kill does for 3 weeks, something has to give. West Virginia needs a antler restriction as well as cutting doe hunting down. I also understand that in certain counties people are seeing alot of does on private land but most private is posted and only allow family and friends to hunt their propert, therefore they won't kill off the does like they would if the does were on public land and opened to alot more hunters. It's NOT going to get any better if something isn't changed within our states deer hunting regulations.

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I guess I'll repeat myself too!:eek::D

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"Jetbalst," Maybe the does need to be harvested in South Carolina but here in West Virginia they are slaughtering too many, therefore hurting our chances of having successful hunts in years to come.

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Sure the limit is 10 deer a year (I think its 10, not 9), but how many guys actually go out and shoot 10? I really dont think antler restrictions are the answer to the problem. There are so many guys that go out here and poach deer in the summer and just leave them they..and I garuntee they'd do the same thing to any buck that has spikes, 4 or 6 points. Its pathetic, and sick, but its true.

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I have to agree about poachers. In Wv I have heard of more ppl poaching then anywhere. They dont care what they kill either.

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If there are small bucks, there are big bucks. Its been warm, windy, or raining this entire hunting season, and it wasnt much better during rifle season. The deer just simply werent moving until after dark. Next year should have increased deer sightings, and size also.

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Hey JoshKeller i see you are in martinsburg, where do you hunt? I hunt primarily in MD wright now but i own land just south of Martinsburg off of Paynes Ford Rd. and have a buddy who has a place over near sheppardstown. We have both seen some great bucks this year especially on Paynes Ford Rd. Needless to say everytime i hunted over there i saw nothing but i know they are there. I have a couple Pvc feeders over there and one was destroyed during the rut by a nice mature 8 point. I was walking in around 9:30 am on a sunday and watched him for almost 10 minutes just rubbing and thrashing the feeder iwas going to fill, I dont know maybe he was pissed it was empty?

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Jim i agree with you , there is no doubt that the doe population is huge in the jefferson and berkley counties. My freinds farm near sheppardstown thats almost all you ever see. this past summer while scouting we saw more than 44 doe in 20 minutes cross a creek onto his land. He told me on christmas eve that the entire season he has only seen 2 bucks one was a 4 point and one was or used to be a 4 or 3 point ( one side was missing ) he also said that the majority of the doe he has been seeing are alot bigger than those 2 lonley young bucks. All he has harvested this year has been does hoping to manage his 2 buck heard and let them grow up a little. Genetics is another thought that alot of meat hunters do not take into mind, good bucks need to pass on there genes atleast 3 years to continue a good DNA factor in the heards. If the only thing out there breeding are imature scrub bucks its hard to tell yet what there genes will pass. I my self and most of my hunting freinds are meat hunters but we have enough sense to let those baby bucks walk.
Antlers dont make good bologna. I would like one day to take a wall hanger from my own land but until then i will always pass on the spikes ,the 3 and 4 pointers and probaly even the 6 pointers , unless it is an exceptional 6. Ethics and management are the keys.

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Hey bologna, I hunt across I-81 from the martinsburg mall, sleepy creek wma, and a private tract bordering sleepy creek. Feel free to give me a shout next time your down this way!

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the pa ant restriction is working i live and hunt in bradford co
ive seen beter buck this year than ever.
But this year i seen very few doe. pa wants to get rid of doe to
if you have a buck tag left you can kill a doe in muzzle. i just dont understand.
how much are car ins ppl paying theese states.
as far as poching you hear it go oon all the time to help with that
they should ban spotlighting. i like to do it but i hate to know ppl jack them that way
all i can say is our game commisson is going to kill off their job
wish that all hunters could all wait for aleast a nice 8 point to come along
once and they would proably wait on killing does and little bucks

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I am a resident of West Virginia (Morgantown) and I bought my first out-of-state hunting lic. this year for Pennsylvania. I only have to drive 7 minutes (I-79 North) and I am in Pennsylvania (Mt. Morris).
Pennsylvania is DOING IT RIGHT, unlike West Virginia when it comes to managind the deer herd.
The county inwhich I hunt (Greene) in PA has an antler restriction, there has to be ATLEAST 4 points to (1) side in order to harvest a BUCK. On my first bowhunting hunt, I saw more deer (does and bucks) in 1 day than I have seen in the last 3-4 years in West Virginia.
I myself DON'T SHOOT DOES, I leave it for the other hunter who needs the meat. I like to go for the trophies, and with PA's antler restriction it makes it alot more exciting as well as profitable, being that out-of-state lic.'s cost me $127.

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I would be in favor of a method of harvesting only larger, mature bucks. However, my only gripe about antler restrictions is that the BEST 1.5 year old bucks (genetically) are elegible for killing. And what about those mature deer that dont have great headgear? You'd be suprised how many just dont have the genetics to grow 4 points on one side. Leaving them to breed is NOT going to improve the deer herd, nor is killing off the 1.5 year old 8 points. Yes, many small bucks will live to see another year. But personally, the area I hunt, plenty already do make it.

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Very true! But Josh, don't you think it's alot better way to manage our (West Virginia) than our pathetic DNR is doing?
Everytime our deer kill is down the DNR points to the weather, or the mast, or how the coyotes have moved in or some other off-the-wall lame @$$ excuse. Did they (DNR) ever think for a minute that selling all those tags and letting you slaughter does for 3 (THREE) WEEKS just might play a big part at hurting our herd?
Something definately needs to be done and innitiating a "antler point restriction" would be a better start than letting th DNR and our insurance companies run our hunting.

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Personally, if it was me (and its not, and I still dont see it changing in the near future), I would keep the bow tags the same. (3 deer, 2 can be bucks.) 1 Buck tag for rifle. 1 doe tag for doe season. And 1 muzzleloader tag (either sex). If the buck tag is unfilled during rifle, it can be filled in muzzleloader as well. I think by reducing the doe harvest, yet allowing any buck to be harvested would be a better solution. I would much rather see a 1.5 year old spike shot and used to feed a family, than to see one shot under AR's and left to rot because the "hunter" doesnt want to get a fine. I'm really growing on your methods, and you'd be welcome in my hunting camp anytime. :D

But rather than spend the money on changing the tag system, I would much rather see CO's (conservation officers) patroling at night, busting some of these aweful poachers! Its not unusual to hear 20 shots a night, and walk around (on private property, mind you) and see 5 or 6 dead deer. Yet the DNR just doesnt care. Wildlife is the ULTIMATE renewable resource, but overuse will result in none to use.

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Mason Ridge,

If you don't shot does, you are part of the problem! Everyone else is seeing way too many does and very little bucks. HELLO! There is too many does. PERIOD! Too much of the old ways exist. "I got me a 4 pt." WOO HOO WHOOP DEE DOO! Shoot a doe instead and the bucks will get bigger. You keep blaming the DNR (albeit not perfect), but the does need thinned out. We don't need to say we saw 20-40 deer to give us a warm and fuzzy. We need to say we saw a comparable number of does with bucks. Even if that number is lower than our normal amount.

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I disagree with you jetblast. I have hunted WestVirginia for 25 years now. I have never
seen the deer population as low as it is now. Three of us hunted in rifle season
together and in 2 hard days of hunting we saw 2 deer. I myself stand hunted in
various locations and saw no deer in 2 days were in years past I would have seen
50 to 75 deer in 2 days of hunting. No doubt in my mind in Grant county where I hunt
the numbers are way down do to over harvesting, poaching, predators, etc., etc.
Now if we shoot all the does we can what happens to the fawns that were to be born
in the spring? Yep, gone as well. That is what does are left now which are not many
now. The club I belong to which has around 100,000 acres was smart enough to
shut down doe season for this year due to low deer herd numbers. This is JMHO.

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I agree with Jim Bell
I'm originally from WV and still go back there and hunt every year with friends and family. I have two diferent pieces of land in hardy county--1 is up in the hills where the deer kill was down overall and deer seen was also down. the other was a low lying farm where we saw record numbers of deer and bucks in particular.
I had a chance to shoot 6 different bucks between the two (none of them very big) and I choose to pass on them, then shot a doe later.
I think coyotes are probably a bigger problem then most realize (we saw tracks all over on the mountain property) and NOOOOO they are not decreasing (as someone said earlier) just b/c they are legal to shoot.
But what hurts most of all is the age old tradition there of making sure that "you get your buck" no matter how big it is. A lot of hunters (good guys) back there have given over to think that they never will see a big one--so they just shoot their little forkhorns or spikes, then when asked, they can reply with assured satisfaction "yeah, I got my buck"--two buck limits per weapon make this attitude even easier--"I'll shoot the first one I see--then trophy hunt at least until the end of the week". And if this is the way that most hunters in WV want it, than so be it.
But hopefully, attitudes will change with new generations of hunters. One thing they should do is say ONE BUCK--perhaps one for bow and one for gun. That makes a person debate whether they want to pull the trigger on that scrub or not. That's what happens here in MT--You get One--combined bow and rifle--so believe me there is a psychological deterrent to shooting any ol' buck--and who cares if you don't shoot it--than you just get to hunt longer.
hb

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Where I hunt in Hampshire...we still saw plenty of deer...less but plenty. We have been managing our own property for the last 7 seasons. Letting most bucks walk and shooting does. Our population has gone down mostly by choice, but is now down to reasonable size for the property size. Also our buck size has gone up, and we are killing 1 or 2 nice bucks every year. I have hunted WV for about 20yrs and I will agree that the DNR does a poor job. However, I can't really speak for other areas of the state...but around where I hunt...it doesn't matter what the laws are. Nobody follows them anyhow. They shoot whatever they want, in season or out, and numbers don't matter. They don't care, they aren't checking them in anyhow. So the problem lies not so much totally on the DNR, but on the slobs that hunt. I know guys that haven't EVER checked a deer in. Sad but true. And there aren't enough game wardens to even respond when you call them. I don'know if it is the same in other areas, but based on where I hunt, and the folks I know that hunt other areas...they all seem to have the same problem. Couple that with the fact that the ones that do follow the rules usually shoot as many bucks as they can (to prove their manhood) and I don't see it ever getting much better without some sort of antler restrictions.

Another problem, at least where I hunt is the coyotes. They have definitely taken a toll on our herd. We found 4 dead coyote kills in a 3 week period this season. 3 were fawns. We did manage to take 10 this year so far between trapping and shooting, but I doubt it made a dent in them.

I wouldn't blame the doe kill on the problem. It may contribute to the problem in some areas, but I doubt its the actual culprit...more like a pat of it. Heck in VA where I hunt, you can shoot 2 deer per day...every day...for 3 mos, and we still can't get the numbers down to manageable levels in alot of areas.

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Ill give examples from the 3 states I hunt .

Pa ,1 buck , no does unless you have a permit , antler restrictions aply , I believe they are going to have a "free for all" week of doe season next year , thats the rumor , and their herd is out of control , overpopulated .

Fl ,1 buck and 1 doe every day of season [on private land] , no antler restrictions , we still have some deer down here but you have to hunt hard to find them .

Ga ,12 does and 2 bucks per year , antler restrictions , Georgia has a well ballanced herd .

Georgia is down the middel , and has a good healthy herd , good management . Florida [where I live ] is a joke , thats like 180 deer one person can kill in a year . I dont know anyone who has , but I know plenty of guys who take way more than their "fare share" . Pa has a problem , sick deer , too many does on a farm for example , over browsing , and lots of car accidents . They need to add 1 more buck to the mix and include several does when you buy your licence .

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I totally agree with you "dsheally", you are exactly right! As for you "jetblast", you need to get out of the hole you have been hunting in and go hunt on some public property to see what most of us are talking about.
I've been deer hunting for 35 years now and theses last couple of years of hunting have been the worst that I've ever seen. I've seen herds survive through bad winters and everything but what is going on now is BS!
Sure, I agree, where some of you hunt you might be seeing excessive does but for the most, hunters would rather enjoy just seeing a few doe. Some counties have lost their herds, more so in the last couple of years.
When I was 20-25, when someone was talking about a herd of deer they say while hunting, they usually were talking about 25-30 deer running together, not anymore. Today's West Virginia herd might consist of 2-3 deer, regardless if they all are does.
I guarantee if you took a poll from the hunters in West Virginia who don't have access to PRIVATE property and hunt Wildlife Management Areas (WMA) and/or PUBLIC property, most would tell you that the DNR is doing a lousy job of management as well as NOT seeing nearly the numbers they have grown accustomed to in recent years of hunting. THIS IS A FACT!
Take Preston County for example, this county used to be one of the top deer counties in the state, their deer kill is down dramatically. Ask some of these peope up north what they think is wrong, they'll sure to tell you.