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I'll start off by saying that our hunting property is surrounded on 3 sides by a single piece of property, and some great looking property too. This morning I went out to set in one of my favorite stand sites. I had hung my treelounge down in a little draw on the north side of our property. The easiest and quietest entry to this stand involves a walk along the fenceline that separates our property from the neighbors. The draw that I hunt runs east and west the fenceline runs north and south, and my stand is hanging approx. 100-125 yards off the fenceline. The draw ends just before it meets the fence. On the other side (the neighbors side) there is one large pecan tree that sits just a few feet off the fenceline, the rest of the property on his side all around this area is pasture. So, after setting all morning without any luck, I decide to go back to the house. As I walk back to the fenceline and start back toward my truck, I glance over and see two stands hanging in the lone pecan tree across the fence. The stands are hanging side by side and facing our property[:@]. Now, I'm not one to get mad at just anything and I tried to reason about why someone would do this when they've got the rest of the property to hunt? Why would they hang their stands right over the fence? I can't come up with anything. The tree that the stands are in is less than 15 feet on their side, which is fine, but they are obviously planning on shooting a deer that is across the fence on our side! Why would someone be so blatent about it? What would you do? I don't have much time to be out there so I thought I'd write a note and leave it on the tree with my Phone # on it to see if they'll call me. Then I could question them about this whole situation. I wonder if they've already shot deer from that tree? By the way, we lease this land, so I don't know the neighbor personally, but I do know he doesn't hunt and untill now, I didn't know he let anyone else hunt.

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are there not enough deer?? with your stand only 100 yards from the pasture are you not using his land somehow?maybe as a funnel?

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Maybe the stands are on your side of the tree to keep the tree between him and the deer. Also sounds like he might be hunting with his son or a camera man. Not that that has any bearing. I'm sure once they see you constantly walking the fence line to your stand they'll find another spot.

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Well, I'm not trying to keep any guy from taking his kid out hunting. But, at the same time I figure he's got all the rest of that property to set up on. I'm not trying to play high and mighty, I just don't understand someone setting up in a tree on the fenceline and facing our property. There aren't any deer traveling on the opposite side of their tree, it's a wide open field that runs approx 1/2 mile to the road. There is a large stand of oak's between my stand and the fence, the deer filter up the draw and feed on the acorns. I've got my stand positioned between the bedding area and the oak trees which is all on my property. Their stands are on the fence facing the oak grove. I guess there's nothing I can do unless I catch them shooting across the fence which is obviously what they're planning to do.

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when i'm hunting i would shoot a deer on my friends neighbors land but they are ok with it but not to hunt deep in there land unless tracking a deer i shot . i think if they are not on the land it's ok i'm sure they see deer on bouth side of the fence .

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well if you really have a problem with it you could always set up a stand on the other side of the fence across from their tree stands;):D:eek:

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Chill out. I have three stands within 10-30 yards of the edge of my property line but that doesn't mean I intend to shoot a deer on the other side. Never have, never will. I have the stands there because they are good areas in which deer use as travel routes. I am this close to the property line because my area has a limited number of trees that are big enough to hang a stand 15-18ft. Could this be the case here? If not, so be it. This is called property rights.

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Our lease (all hardwoods) surrounds on 3 sides a 5 acre lot. At the 2 upper corners of the lot are permanent stands right on the line. Opening day of gun I was about 200 yds off one corner. On the way out, I saw 2 adult hunters on one stand facing out into the woods on our land at a ridge/funnel that gets no closer than 75 yds to them- not even pretending to hunt their land.

I told them they were certainly welcome to trail and recover any deer they shot on their property that went onto ours. I also told them that if the bloodtrail indicated the deer was on our side when shot, not only could they not recover, but would also be in court for trespass. We know for sure of 3 times in the last last 2 years of them shooting and recovering deer on the ridge - bloodtails and gut piles were obvious.

They were not happy but it is not right they are hunting our property with their methods.

Steve

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The way I see it hunting the property line is probably where they are seeing deer. As far as shooting over the fence, well, that's a gray area. Deer do not belong to anyone and put yourself in the similar situation. A huge buck is just over the fence on another property. He is broadside 20 yards away what would you do? Let's all be honest with ourselves. I am betting 99% of us are going to let the arrow fly. It's a tough call but you may be able to work something out that would help everyone involved out.

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I had some idiots do that this year at my grand-folks in Ohio. The neighbors gave the visitors permits to hunt, but they are hunting a fence row right next to our bean field and woods (via groundblind). We took care of it though....;) :D:D

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Who really cares if someone shoots a deer on your property. Obviously, nobody wants trespassers wandering around, but if they're hunting from their own ground, and shoot into yours, who really cares?

I just think you're all being greedy. The deer are free ranging animals, owned by nobody. Let's not get carried away with acting like because we own the property, we own the animals.

Let the guys hunt in peace. If you really like to hunt that area, go do it. If you screw up his hunt enough times, he won't be back. Use your skill and cunning to tag out. Too many guys try to monopolize on the good hunting spots and it's just bad for everyone.

We're all just squirrels trying to get a nut. We have three or four months of deer season to work with - they won't be there every day. I just see no reason for the greed, given the liberal opportunities we're all given with archery, blackpowder, rifle, crossbow, shotgun seasons.

If it were me, I would have asked you first, but lots of guys aren't so thoughtful.

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uh yeah. that would be a good idea. i try to talk to anyone who is hunting on neighboring property. i like to know where people are, especially during firearms season and i like to know who they are.

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I guess I just don't understand the difference in tresspasing and shooting a deer on someone elses property. I thought those were the same thing. Apperantly some guys don't. Can anyone explain the difference to me?

quicksilver, I don't feel as though I'm being greedy. I pay a good amount of money to have hunting privilages on this property. Why would I want someone shooting deer off of the property that hasn't paid? Obviously, if the deer was on their side of the fence I wouldn't be upset.

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JMO. . . .BIG bucks or not NEVER NEVER shoot at an animal that is not on your proptery. The guys who put their stands on the fence are taking big ethical and legal liberties should they in fact shoot one over the fence. It is an unwritten rule that you never shoot towards a fence line, at least for smoke poles, perhaps the bow hunting ethics are different, but should not be.

Come to my area and track an animal on my land with out receiving premission first and see what happens.

For around here you shoot well of the fence line to insure he drops before crossing the property line. Some guys will not allow you to enter their land to track even if you ask.

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Is the land that you leased posted. If so then I would probably have a talk with the guy. If it's not posted than you've just leased the rights to hunt on it not make the decision on who gets to hunt it. If you have exclusive hunting rights I would talk to the landowner about posting it.

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Yes, the property is posted. I was under the assumption that when you leased a piece of property, those that leased and only those that leased had the right to grant hunting privalages to others. Last year, the property owner contacted me in regards to letting a man who runs cattle on the property hunt. The property owner said that the decision was totally up to us, because we have the hunting rights. He gave me the gentlemans phone number and asked me to give him a call. I did and the guy said he was wondering if we minded if he shot a doe for meat during the rifle season. After addressing the issue with the rest of the guys who lease the property with me, I called him back and told him he could. We're all reasonable guys, I just don't think that this situation is right.

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It IS greed. You either own land or own the rights to hunt land. Those hunting from an adjacent property are not offending any of your vested property rights.

Now, while you may think that you have a date with destiny on a P&Y buck on your lease - you DO NOT OWN HIM, nor have you LEASED HIM.

I don't know what state you hunt, but in PA, we have fifty-some odd days (don't quote me on that) where we can take a buck. If you're so scared that somebody might shoot a deer fifty yards into your lease, go out there and get him before they do. I can't stand it when people try to horde deer for themselves.

That feeling you would get if they took a 150 class buck 10 feet inside your posterline would be jealousy, nothing other.

Georgetown- I would be ashamed to say that I wouldn't let another hunter track a wounded animal onto my property, with or without permission. That's a new low.
That's the kind of reprehensible greediness that really upsets me.

Treat your fellow sportsmen with respect, not animous.

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Quicksilver,
Your kidding right???
I don't want this to turn into one of "THOSE" posts. You know the kind I'm talkin about. I simply wanted some input on the situation from some other guys, yourself included, to see if anything was brought up that I hadn't already thought of. I would like to say that I'm not greedy. I am under no false pretense that I OWN the deer. I realize that deer are freeranging animals and that at any given time they can cross onto the neighboring property and be taken by a fellow hunter. That situation is FINE. Really, I have absolutely no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is someone shooting across the propertyline at ANY DEER not just a P&Y buck. I wouldn't have a problem with them tracking a deer that had crossed the fence after being shot. In all actuality, I would most likely give them a deer even if they shot it on our side, as long as I haven't talked to them first. But, if I've given them warning and they shoot a deer on our side anyway, I will not give them the deer. Think of me as greedy if you want, but I feel as though I'm in the right on this one. If you want to shoot deer on my side of the fence, come pay your money like the rest of us did to lease the property. Untill you do, don't shoot across the fence.

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Quicksliver. . . to your repsonse. I agree in part. . .I don't think it is greed that drives this reponse, but if I am asked I help them put but that is not always the case around here.

But the deal is that a property line should be treated like a wall a mile high. It has no legal bearing that a Deer is not owned. While it free roams on my land it is governed by me, not some one looking at it over the fence. You don't do anything across that line with out permission, period. I don't have to like it but must respect it if I expect respect from my neigbours in return.

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Thank you Georgetown, that was what I was trying to say.

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Georgetown

I just think that you are being a little harsh on a guy who sees a deer from his own ground and shoots it on your land. First off, nobody has done anything wrong, as no harm = no foul.

Hey, you are on point with your views regarding property lines, and within your rights to feel that way.

Further, maybe you should consider a shoot-on-sight order for trespassers or people looking at your deer. You'll be sure to make lots of friends.

Horde your deer, put a fence up (or a mile high wall), pile up some bait, do what ya gotta do. Remember what goes around comes around. I just think you two are trying to be greedy, and don't want somebody else to shoot a deer that you feel you are entitled to because you bought a lease or a chunk of ground. IMO, if you'd spend a few more days hunting and a few less days crying this river of tears, you wouldn't have this problem, b/c you'd have tagged out.

I tend to keep a very good repoire with adjacent landowners/hunters. I enjoy knowing that I can venture in/out of their property without a second thought.

The problem is most easily solved if you get off your hind end, and go tag out before they do. Then all is well.

I won't revisit this issue with you two, as we have fundamental differences with respect to our views of the right to hunt. While I do believe that a person does have property rights, I also feel that the right to hunt is a fundamental, prehistoric one, which predates any vested property rights. I feel that good, taxpaying citizens, as owners of the deer, have some right to hunt them. In light of this, I see nothing wrong with property owners allowing the citizenry to make a go at harvesting one. I view the hording of land/hunting/deer as being driven by greed and inherently unjust. You two obviously disagree.

You are legally entitled to act as you will, but I think your motives are selfish and I do not agree with them.

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Well now that I know more about your situation I would have to agree with you. I hunt a stand that I set up on public land that's about 40-50 yards inside a fence between it and private land. I let two bucks walk this year that wouldn't jump the fence. The land is posted and the owner is never there but I still wouldn't shoot anything on him because he has it posted. try and talk to the other land owner about it and go from there. GOOD LUCK>

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This argument smells a lot like the haves vs have nots in terms of owning property vs using or leasing someone else's property. I own my own woods and a fellow and his son hunt the neighboring property with permission from the neighbor. They have stands and blinds set up by my property line(their side) which is fine with me. I have told them that they are welcome to track an animal on my property (which is how I originally met them)but to please not shoot into my property. Why? Cuz they bow and shotgun/black powder hunt and I do not want projectiles flying around my property. It is my land, and I don't want to have to get "permission" to be on my own property whether I am hunting or not. Just last night I was out at dusk taking down a blind and some idiot (poacher) was using their blind on the property line! I about jumped out of my skin when they shot, and gun season is closed right now here in Michigan.
Sorry, but I think it is plain wrong to shoot onto someone else's property without permission.

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Fair enough quicksilver, I will agree to disagree. Also, I assure you that I'm not just sittin back not trying to tag out. I spend almost everyday that I have off (which isn't many) in the stand, and I did take a deer with my rifle earlier this season. Another thing is that I do feel as though the deer is mine as long as it's on my side of the fence, but if it crosses over it's out of my property and I wouldn't shoot it. I will add that in calling me and Georgetownboys greedy and selfish does not overshadow the fact that you seem to have no respect for private property. Quicksilver, if you were driving down some remote county road and just happened to spot a deer on some random property that you didn't have permission to hunt, would you shoot the deer? If not, why, what's the difference? And if you would, then while retrieving the deer the landowner catches you, would you explain yourself by stating that he doesn't own the deer and that as long as you could see it you have the right to shoot it? Come on man, get real!!

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Aren't those two statements at odds with other since the individual landowner is the only one that pays taxes on his or her land? I will also say that while your opinions may be fundamentally different, if you practice what you preach then you are a tresspasser and a poacher regardless of your fundamental belief.

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Have you ever heard the saying, "The grass is always greener on the other side."

I'm not sure how I'd handle it but I'd be pretty annoyed.

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I agree.

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First off, I never said anything which could be characterized as an attack on a landowner's rights to hunt on his own property, and yes, as a taxpaying citizen and licensed hunter, a landowner does have a right to pursue game within the confines of the game laws.

Secondly, I do not trespass, I hunt wherever I want, which is always where I have garnered permission beforehand. I have more than enough hunting access - time is my enemy.

Third, I have NEVER poached anything, and I practice only fair chase, and take only those animals which are properly tagged and removed thereafter.

Our family let 5 hunters hunt freely on our property this buck season and a few of them got deer. Our neighbors also granted them permission b/c we have that kind of relationship. I DO practice what I preach, and I am neither a trespasser nor a poacher.

Greedy guys always get offended when they're called out on it.

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Quicksilver, either you condone shooting across property lines where you do not have permission to hunt or you don't. You obviously do, and in my book your a poacher and a tresspasser. Calling me greedy doesn't make it any better.

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If your bullet crosses a fenceline then you are tresspassing in my state as I would bet it is in many others. If you shoot across a fence then you have tresspassed and therefore poached an animal. I am not saying that you have done that but merely that if you follow your own principles about there being nothing wrong with shooting across a fence, then you have not only violated a game law but also one of the fundamental rights of our society, those of the landowner.

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Who cares? Everyone I know! It's illeagal here , not to mention unethical!

I cannot believe some of these replies.[:o] A few months ago everyone here would have supported your dilema.

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I care. Nobody has the right to shoot in to or across my property with out my knowledge and consent. Do it and if I see it I'll be shooting back.

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That doesn't change a thing.

YOU get off YOUR hind end and earn the $$$ it takes to buy this land and shoot on it as you see fit and quit trying to glom on to people who've paid their own way.

Stay off my land and don't shoot into it.

I'll shoot back.

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If I were you I wouldn't freak out. Number one I hunt many of times 70 yrds apart. It's required because you never know what direction deer will take at the crossroads. Two, use this to your advantage. see about getting access on the next property. Explain that there may be days both of you want to hunt there and to give them room rather then competeing for the same deer you would prefer to look for another spot to hunt but your limited and would like to cross over. Three I doubt you two would meet very often. If you do your hunting one spot too much.

Good luck

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I by no means am suggesting that you should be okay with someone shooting a deer on your property without your permission. My point is that you are jumping to conclusions as to what his intentions are just because he is set up on the property line. If you are really concerned, then confront the guy and make sure that he knows how strong you feel about it. But don't automatically condemn and convict the guy just because he set up on a property line.

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Fieldmouse,

I appreciate your reply. I have other stand locations on the property and I try not to overhunt any one location. My concern was that I didn't want anyone shooting deer that were on our property. Mike42, if you saw the stand setup, you'd understand what I'm talking about. Our piece of propery is approx 500 acres with less than half of that being huntable. The surrounding piece is approx 1500 acres. There are 5 of us that paid to lease the propery. Me, my father, my brother-in-law, and two of my cousins. We all have our stand setups that each of us hunt. We try to limit our movement throughout the property to reduce pushing deer off of the property. I just get aggrevated to think that each one of us has spent hard earned $$$ to hunt this piece of land, and to think that someone would setup right on the property line and hang stands facing our property. As I stated in my first post, I tried to determine why someone would hang a stand there. To me, it's obvious what they're doing and I don't appreciate it. Nevertheless, I would never jump on the guy without discussing the whole situation first. There could still be some sort of explanation, but I seriously doubt it.

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Not illegal. Property owners have an action in trespass at their disposal, should they pursue it. It is not illegal per se to trespass. Learn your local laws before you shoot.
People hunt in and around my property, and I have no problem so long as they respect the safety zones and hunt safely. So I don't care, maybe I'm the minority here.

Not unethical. I can shoot into my neighbor's ground without a second thought, as I am a permittee. I think of myself as a pretty ethical guy.

I do work, and I do have a piece of land. I do shoot on it as I see fit. Our family has 5 really exceptional gentlemen who hunt on our land. They're relatively poor, and can't afford their own place. We give them free use of a camp, food, heat and electric. I just feel bad because I can't accommodate more guys. Where I live, more and more hunters are being displaced by greedy people like you, and it just isn't right. There are enough deer to go around, so quit crying about a guy sitting by your property line. If I could afford to buy my own gamelands for them, I would.

You greedy hunters have an inferiority complex. Are you that scared that somebody else will get one and you won't??

Yeah, and you would be going to prison for attempted homicide in any jurisdiction.

I used to take your side on this issue. After a few years of watching and listening, and one extreme case in Wisconsin, ignorant, greedy landowners need to be called out.

This deer greed has gone too far, and I just think that it wouldn't kill you all to let a guy or two wander through your ground without going postal. Obviously, the Angry Landowner's Assoc. has spoken.

Pretty entertaining thread, eh?

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What you feel bad or guilty about doesn't have a thing to do with what people do with out permission on my land.Your liberal buzz word doesn't change the simple fact that I worked for paid for and own what I own and if any one wants to make use of it they are obligated by law and simple manners to make that request.

And I have every right to grant or denie it.

It's got nothing to do with greed or not and YOU ARE THE ONE WITH TEARS IN YOUR EYES LOOKING ACROSS MY FENCE LINE.So quit sitting there crying about it and go to work. Just because you would give away everything you own, so you say, doesn't mean I have to. At least so long as we can keep you whiney liberal commies out of power.You tell us! You are the lazy greedy little whiner lusting over other people's property to the point you think it's perfectly OK to tresspass and steal the use of it. Tell us. What is it you are afraid of? You shoot at me.
I'll shoot at you.

Maybe you will turn out right, maybe not. But I'll tell you one thing, YOU won't be going to prison and I won't be going to prison for attempted ANYTHING.

Stay on your own side of the fence and it'll be a moot point.You are an idiot.Only thing obvious is you don't own anything and have never worked a day in your life. Not nearly as entertaining as the day I catch you tresspassing.

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Lol that was pretty damn funny. Sorry, but you need to cool down.

You're joking right??? :eek:

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John,

Exclude all the argueing back and forth. I understand it gets you pissed off. This year someone decided to develope the field next to my honey hole and someone else was hunting that field this year. I don't even know if he was legal or not. I know he made it on to my property because he left a tree step in one of my trees. Oh well my dreams are smashed. No not really. The deer will still be there and who knows what goes on when your not there. For all you know a few dogs, a mountain lion or a bear could choose to roam through and screw things up. Be patient and things will work out. I've been a few times and had hunters practically walk underneath me stalking deer only to see the deer sneek back the other way after they left. I have also been disrupted hunting when they decided to run the dogs. 1/2 hour later they're gone and the deer start moving.

Good luck