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Georgetown

I just think that you are being a little harsh on a guy who sees a deer from his own ground and shoots it on your land. First off, nobody has done anything wrong, as no harm = no foul.

Hey, you are on point with your views regarding property lines, and within your rights to feel that way.

Further, maybe you should consider a shoot-on-sight order for trespassers or people looking at your deer. You'll be sure to make lots of friends.

Horde your deer, put a fence up (or a mile high wall), pile up some bait, do what ya gotta do. Remember what goes around comes around. I just think you two are trying to be greedy, and don't want somebody else to shoot a deer that you feel you are entitled to because you bought a lease or a chunk of ground. IMO, if you'd spend a few more days hunting and a few less days crying this river of tears, you wouldn't have this problem, b/c you'd have tagged out.

I tend to keep a very good repoire with adjacent landowners/hunters. I enjoy knowing that I can venture in/out of their property without a second thought.

The problem is most easily solved if you get off your hind end, and go tag out before they do. Then all is well.

I won't revisit this issue with you two, as we have fundamental differences with respect to our views of the right to hunt. While I do believe that a person does have property rights, I also feel that the right to hunt is a fundamental, prehistoric one, which predates any vested property rights. I feel that good, taxpaying citizens, as owners of the deer, have some right to hunt them. In light of this, I see nothing wrong with property owners allowing the citizenry to make a go at harvesting one. I view the hording of land/hunting/deer as being driven by greed and inherently unjust. You two obviously disagree.

You are legally entitled to act as you will, but I think your motives are selfish and I do not agree with them.

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Well now that I know more about your situation I would have to agree with you. I hunt a stand that I set up on public land that's about 40-50 yards inside a fence between it and private land. I let two bucks walk this year that wouldn't jump the fence. The land is posted and the owner is never there but I still wouldn't shoot anything on him because he has it posted. try and talk to the other land owner about it and go from there. GOOD LUCK>

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This argument smells a lot like the haves vs have nots in terms of owning property vs using or leasing someone else's property. I own my own woods and a fellow and his son hunt the neighboring property with permission from the neighbor. They have stands and blinds set up by my property line(their side) which is fine with me. I have told them that they are welcome to track an animal on my property (which is how I originally met them)but to please not shoot into my property. Why? Cuz they bow and shotgun/black powder hunt and I do not want projectiles flying around my property. It is my land, and I don't want to have to get "permission" to be on my own property whether I am hunting or not. Just last night I was out at dusk taking down a blind and some idiot (poacher) was using their blind on the property line! I about jumped out of my skin when they shot, and gun season is closed right now here in Michigan.
Sorry, but I think it is plain wrong to shoot onto someone else's property without permission.

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Fair enough quicksilver, I will agree to disagree. Also, I assure you that I'm not just sittin back not trying to tag out. I spend almost everyday that I have off (which isn't many) in the stand, and I did take a deer with my rifle earlier this season. Another thing is that I do feel as though the deer is mine as long as it's on my side of the fence, but if it crosses over it's out of my property and I wouldn't shoot it. I will add that in calling me and Georgetownboys greedy and selfish does not overshadow the fact that you seem to have no respect for private property. Quicksilver, if you were driving down some remote county road and just happened to spot a deer on some random property that you didn't have permission to hunt, would you shoot the deer? If not, why, what's the difference? And if you would, then while retrieving the deer the landowner catches you, would you explain yourself by stating that he doesn't own the deer and that as long as you could see it you have the right to shoot it? Come on man, get real!!

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Aren't those two statements at odds with other since the individual landowner is the only one that pays taxes on his or her land? I will also say that while your opinions may be fundamentally different, if you practice what you preach then you are a tresspasser and a poacher regardless of your fundamental belief.

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Have you ever heard the saying, "The grass is always greener on the other side."

I'm not sure how I'd handle it but I'd be pretty annoyed.

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I agree.

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First off, I never said anything which could be characterized as an attack on a landowner's rights to hunt on his own property, and yes, as a taxpaying citizen and licensed hunter, a landowner does have a right to pursue game within the confines of the game laws.

Secondly, I do not trespass, I hunt wherever I want, which is always where I have garnered permission beforehand. I have more than enough hunting access - time is my enemy.

Third, I have NEVER poached anything, and I practice only fair chase, and take only those animals which are properly tagged and removed thereafter.

Our family let 5 hunters hunt freely on our property this buck season and a few of them got deer. Our neighbors also granted them permission b/c we have that kind of relationship. I DO practice what I preach, and I am neither a trespasser nor a poacher.

Greedy guys always get offended when they're called out on it.

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Quicksilver, either you condone shooting across property lines where you do not have permission to hunt or you don't. You obviously do, and in my book your a poacher and a tresspasser. Calling me greedy doesn't make it any better.

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If your bullet crosses a fenceline then you are tresspassing in my state as I would bet it is in many others. If you shoot across a fence then you have tresspassed and therefore poached an animal. I am not saying that you have done that but merely that if you follow your own principles about there being nothing wrong with shooting across a fence, then you have not only violated a game law but also one of the fundamental rights of our society, those of the landowner.