incredible HUGE 30 point + non-typical (PICS)
11-10-2004, 08:05 AM
#21
Nontypical Buck
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RE: incredible HUGE 30 point + non-typical (PICS)
SapperLohr - Did you see the non-typical I killed in KS last week ? The deer's right antler was all freaked out - and what would have been the brow tine grew across the top of the forehead almost to the other horn before stopping. How did that horn know to stop where it did and not grow into the other antler ? Weird.
11-10-2004, 04:39 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: incredible HUGE 30 point + non-typical (PICS)
what a beast. I wonder what injured him, was it a hunter or car or a fight? Who gets to put that on their wall, i think i would have to fight the 2 other guys for that one.
11-12-2004, 12:42 PM
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RE: incredible HUGE 30 point + non-typical (PICS)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met...strait.4a542c9
3.html
Oh, deer! Buck's death raises flap
Web Posted: 11/12/2004 12:00 AM CST
Ron Henry Strait
Express-News Staff Writer
Over whose mantel the "Bullis Buck" stops, nobody knows.
State game wardens are investigating the death at Camp Bullis last weekend
of a white-tailed deer, the likes of which no one in Texas has seen in
nearly 80 years.
The so-called "Bullis Buck" carried antlers with 35 scorable points and an
outside spread of more than 27 inches — a monster rack that ranks as the
third-largest taken from a native whitetail in Texas.
The investigation centers on how the animal met its demise. Preliminary
reports indicate the buck was stabbed to death with a pocket knife by Camp
Bullis personnel responding to a call about an injured deer on the grounds
of the 28,000-acre military reservation in Northwest Bexar County.
The means by which the buck was taken could lead to an attempt to prosecute
the three people involved and could throw into question who winds up with
the record-setting rack, which could have a value to collectors in excess
of $20,000.
The department's "position is that it is not a lawful means to kill (a
game) animal with a knife," said Willie Gonzalez, a warden at the Texas
Parks and Wildlife headquarters in Austin.
Base personnel, applying the Boone & Crockett Club's standard scoring
method, estimated the buck's antler rack at 2651/8 net inches, a figure
based on antler circumferences and point lengths. If the calculation is
confirmed, the rack would be the largest taken in Texas since 1925, when a
buck, found dead, scored 272 inches.
The Texas record for a nontypical buck was recorded early last century when
a whitetail, killed in the late 1890s and measured years later, scored
2843/8 inches.
"Nontypical" antlers are antlers that aren't symmetrical, or even
configured side-to-side.
The "Bullis Buck" is thought to be the largest taken on a hunt in over 100
years.
Still, the circumstances of last weekend's "hunt" may hinder the
determination of records and of possession. Indications are that state game
officials might want to determine something they consider more important —
responsibility.
Preliminary reports say two civilian employees and a volunteer worker at
the base were involved in the death of the animal.
At question are state statutes regarding the lawful means and methods of
taking a game animal, Gonzalez said. The Bullis case was forwarded to Danny
Shaw, a warden in San Antonio. Because of Thursday's holiday, most state
and government officials involved in the matter were unavailable for
comment.
Access by state game officials onto federal property could be at issue, as
well. Wardens normally are restricted from the base, a source close to the
incident said. Still, game wardens, as well as officials with the federal
Fish & Wildlife Service, have scheduled a visit to Camp Bullis next week as
part of the inquiry.
The deer was killed about midday Saturday. Within days, dozens of
photographs of the rack were spread within outdoors circles via e-mail.
Some e-mails included photos of the bloody pocket knife, with a 4-inch
blade, which reports indicated was used in the stabbing.
Concerns about the legality of the kill were also expressed in e-mail
exchanges. On Thursday, one e-mail making the rounds included a photo in
which an unidentified man is shown holding the deer. The man's face and
belt buckle were digitally obscured.
The deer remains in cold storage at Camp Bullis.
Because of its unusual configuration, the 35-point antlers are classified
as a nontypical rack.
A net score of 265 inches would place the rack among the top Texas deer
trophies and assure it a place in whitetail lore.
However, because of the concerns over how it was killed, said one
scorekeeper said, technically, it will not be eligible for listing in the
record books.
Regardless of official recognition, the "Bullis Buck" is likely to gain
legendary status with deer-antler number crunchers in Texas.
3.html
Oh, deer! Buck's death raises flap
Web Posted: 11/12/2004 12:00 AM CST
Ron Henry Strait
Express-News Staff Writer
Over whose mantel the "Bullis Buck" stops, nobody knows.
State game wardens are investigating the death at Camp Bullis last weekend
of a white-tailed deer, the likes of which no one in Texas has seen in
nearly 80 years.
The so-called "Bullis Buck" carried antlers with 35 scorable points and an
outside spread of more than 27 inches — a monster rack that ranks as the
third-largest taken from a native whitetail in Texas.
The investigation centers on how the animal met its demise. Preliminary
reports indicate the buck was stabbed to death with a pocket knife by Camp
Bullis personnel responding to a call about an injured deer on the grounds
of the 28,000-acre military reservation in Northwest Bexar County.
The means by which the buck was taken could lead to an attempt to prosecute
the three people involved and could throw into question who winds up with
the record-setting rack, which could have a value to collectors in excess
of $20,000.
The department's "position is that it is not a lawful means to kill (a
game) animal with a knife," said Willie Gonzalez, a warden at the Texas
Parks and Wildlife headquarters in Austin.
Base personnel, applying the Boone & Crockett Club's standard scoring
method, estimated the buck's antler rack at 2651/8 net inches, a figure
based on antler circumferences and point lengths. If the calculation is
confirmed, the rack would be the largest taken in Texas since 1925, when a
buck, found dead, scored 272 inches.
The Texas record for a nontypical buck was recorded early last century when
a whitetail, killed in the late 1890s and measured years later, scored
2843/8 inches.
"Nontypical" antlers are antlers that aren't symmetrical, or even
configured side-to-side.
The "Bullis Buck" is thought to be the largest taken on a hunt in over 100
years.
Still, the circumstances of last weekend's "hunt" may hinder the
determination of records and of possession. Indications are that state game
officials might want to determine something they consider more important —
responsibility.
Preliminary reports say two civilian employees and a volunteer worker at
the base were involved in the death of the animal.
At question are state statutes regarding the lawful means and methods of
taking a game animal, Gonzalez said. The Bullis case was forwarded to Danny
Shaw, a warden in San Antonio. Because of Thursday's holiday, most state
and government officials involved in the matter were unavailable for
comment.
Access by state game officials onto federal property could be at issue, as
well. Wardens normally are restricted from the base, a source close to the
incident said. Still, game wardens, as well as officials with the federal
Fish & Wildlife Service, have scheduled a visit to Camp Bullis next week as
part of the inquiry.
The deer was killed about midday Saturday. Within days, dozens of
photographs of the rack were spread within outdoors circles via e-mail.
Some e-mails included photos of the bloody pocket knife, with a 4-inch
blade, which reports indicated was used in the stabbing.
Concerns about the legality of the kill were also expressed in e-mail
exchanges. On Thursday, one e-mail making the rounds included a photo in
which an unidentified man is shown holding the deer. The man's face and
belt buckle were digitally obscured.
The deer remains in cold storage at Camp Bullis.
Because of its unusual configuration, the 35-point antlers are classified
as a nontypical rack.
A net score of 265 inches would place the rack among the top Texas deer
trophies and assure it a place in whitetail lore.
However, because of the concerns over how it was killed, said one
scorekeeper said, technically, it will not be eligible for listing in the
record books.
Regardless of official recognition, the "Bullis Buck" is likely to gain
legendary status with deer-antler number crunchers in Texas.