Speed kills and my 5 1/4" brace height bow shoots 320 fps arrows into 2" groups consistently at 35 yds. Speed and accuracy together kills very quickly.

HCA:
The dual cam version has 5 3/8" brace. Nowhere did I see IBO referred to. In the article, or by HCA. HCA doesn't even put a speed rating on the specs list, just "Unequaled speed". So it's not IBO specs. Where did you read "IBO specs". How about a link showing 370 IBO. It's not "nocking" (sic), it's fact. The Speed Pro arrows are way under IBO weight. I'm not saying the bow won't do 370. It just won't do it at IBO specs.
BTW, an Extreme VFT shot 417 (or something like that) at the ATA show using a Speed Pro arrow.

Exactly

You have to compare apples to apples though. Check out huntersfriend.com, you can list all the bows from fastest to slowest.

now that is apples to apples

Well why don't you do us a favor and cut and paste that part.

First of all people were pointing out the fact that there advertising was misleading. It doesn't make any difference who the manufacturer is. It is misleading. You are the one that started making claims that weren't true. Most people here feel obliged to tell someone when they are strutting around like a peacock but preaching false information (it kind of makes you look like a jack@ss)

Since you decided to take it there.......have you ever shot the Black Knight? Have you ever compared speeds of the Black Knight versuses the speeds of the bows that you are talking about? Did you do a side by side comparison with identical setups and the same arrow on the same chrono? If not, then aren't you guilty of the same thing? (knocking someone elses brand without having all of the info or without trying it)

Easy there SA

Although a lot of what you said was true

Here's the part that hits me as odd about the whole 5 grains per lb magic number.


A grain is equivalent to roughly 64.8 milligrams.......lets say 65mg for round numbers.

If you are shooting a 65 lb bow at 5 grains per lb your arrow needs to weigh 325 grains or 21.125 grams.

If you are shooting the same bow at 4 grains per lb your arrow will weigh 260 grains or 16.9 grams.

If you are shooting the same bow at 3 grains per lb your arrow will weigh 195 grains or 12.675 grams.


As you can see the difference between 1 grain per pound setup on a 65 lb bow is about 4.2 grams for every change in 1 grain/lb.

For anyone who doesn't know........a mildly rounded teaspoon weighs about 5 grams. We are talking about the weight difference of less then a teaspoonful of sugar here people. If an arrow or bow was going to explode into complete failure I don't see how 4.2 grams extra weight will magically make it totally safe.

The 5 grains/lb is a guideline........nothing else. It is not some magic number that is so set in stone that ANY variation from it will result in total disaster. If High Country bows were exploding all over the country and killing archers I am sure you would have heard about it by now. I doubt they would ever consider giving their customers what amounts to a grenade with the pin pulled and think it was a good idea for long term market success.

Also when you consider things like this you have to start factoring in arrow construction. I am quite certain that in our lifetimes someone will make an arrow that is lighter and stronger then the components used today. No one ever thought you could stop a bullet with a fabric either before the day kevlar was invented.

Things change............and with the evolution of compounds into the "speed freak" arena IMO that is where you will see bow companies trying to find a nook (HCA) will focus their efforts.

Hell, Bowtech built a growing empire on fast bows..........worked well for them.


The problem HCA will have is when other companies reveal to the public that their bows shoot just as fast if not faster when using those lighter arrows it will show that HCA hasn't really done anything inventive..............just tried to slip one by the uninformed majority out there.

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I don't even like HCA bows and have this to say. Atlasman makes some very good points. Things do change and progress will never end. That being said, I myself remember when compounds first came into being. People scorned them for various reasons. Over the years bows have changed in construction, engineering, and material used in their manufacture. They have become faster, quieter, less vibration and noise. Letoff went from about 20% to 80% or more.

Years ago there was never a mention of minimum arrow weight because all we had was aluminum, and nobody shot overdraws. Then came along those wretched things and carbon arrows. The manufacturers had to do something to cover their asses in this sue happy world, so a little research and they came up with 6gr/lb--for safety reasons. Now many of them are backing down to 5gr/lb. Why?? Because they are building bows that will handle it.

So HCA says they got a bow that will safely handle what?? 2.5 or 3 gr/lb? What can I say? Can I just say that this is bull and it's not in the public's best interest? How do I know this for fact? I'm not an engineer and don't have equipment to measure all the stress factors in bows. Who can scientifically say HCA is making bogus claims? And where would we all be and shooting if we didn't keep an open mind and be willing to accept change? Maybe bows will get that good. Maybe they won't handle superlite arrows. But one thing is for certain. If they blow too many up they won't be around long. And if they hold together then we're off to the races with speed again---or still.

you know I posted what I read so I knocked a few bow models mind you one of them was a bow model that I shoot(bowtech) but for saying that HCA is giving out false advertising and me apparently preching about it makes me what did you call me silentassassin a jacka$$. well that was way out of line I just posted some links about the bow and mentioned a few other things I read and was told about it. I don't come to this forum to be called names by life member who do you think you are.

Exactly! They've obviously got confidence in their equipment not only holding up to the stress of shooting such a light arrow , but shooting it well also.

Sad (IMO) but true!

I just hope that most bow companys dont forget about us archers who like to see our arrow in flight! If they do my bow will be made of wood from tip to tip.