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This forum is for people who like hunting and want to share stories, pics, tips, etc. It is not intended to be the medium for belittling fellow hunters.
That being said, do not force opinions down other people's throats..... "QDM leaves a bad taste in your mouth". Comments like: I wouldn't have shot that..., etc do not need to be said.
If you practice QDM, kudos to you. If you don't shoot does with fawns....well done. Shooting a suffering animal (even though it is not mature or is thin as a result of injury) is great. However, people's needs and ideals vary, so one must think before they insult someone. If someone posts a picture and a story, it is probably because they are happy/proud of their accomplishment. Do not ruin their day by trying to impose your beliefs upon them.
As hunters, we need to stick together. The antis are out there, just waiting for more "ammunition". I would think that you "veteran hunters" that only shoot trophies would appreciate that everyone has to start somewhere and with each season, people learn and mature.
Over time, if QDM is in fact the best option, we will all evolve to practice it. Until then, people will hunt as the laws allow them to. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. I, for one, do not care to hear it.

P.S. Congratulations to everyone who has harvested a deer this year! Big or small, you have more meat in your freezer than me so far.

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Ditto!

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Good deal... Something similar has to be said just about every year. To give some the benefit of the doubt, I think they are just saying what is on they're mind. They may not know what a rookie (i.e. ME) might think when they're comment about my deer (which I don't have yet) is: "I would have given him another year." or something of that sort.

So if I could add anything to this post it would be don't NOT try and encourage people towards a "better" practice (it's like a "TIP" in some sense). BUT you just have to find out when and what to say. When you see a person's post who wants to show off their deer, IMO, that's a bad time to say that you wouldn't take a deer of that size/age. If someone posts a question about what size of deer you would take that's a PERFECT time to post what you believe about deer size/age harvesting.

Just my $0.02

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Well said Stealthyone, every year we do the same thing we are quick to congradulate early in the season. Heck we are even tolerant of the first few "I wounded one" posts. But as the season moves forward, EVERYTHING becomes fuel for someones fire. I'm somewhat guilty, I have typed many a reply, only to delete them before posting, because even though my viewpoint may be strong, It is just my view point. Rather than argue with someone, for the world to see, i find it better to just move to the next post. We need to stand together in support and education and show those that are not bowhunters that we are a strong family. Sure we may argue with our siblings, but if an outsider comes looking for trouble, we will unite solidly as one.

OK soapbox closed!

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As I see this is a forum for discussion. Some people might not like what I have to say or the questions I pose but they are legitimate. If you don't like what I've got to share you have the ability to block my post by clicking the little green circle right by my user name. Feel free to use it.

If I read a post where someone states they're a meat hunter and passes on three does to shoot a little spike I believe I have every right to question why they would do so. Is it not legal to shoot a doe or do you think an buck is better then a doe because it's a buck. These are legitimate questions, you may not like them but they are legitimate none the less. Maybe the new hunters don't know the benefits of QDM and that thinning doe is more beneficial to the herd then shooting spikes.

It's not my intention to belittle anyone here. In fact I support my fellow bow hunters but trying to censor the opions of the members of this board isn't good for discussion. If you don't want my opinion then block my post. I will continue to air my views as I believe that QDM benefits all hunters, not just trophy hunters.

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And here I thought the idea of the forum was to give individual opinions.

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Honestly there are very few pictures that get posted on this site that excite me. There are alot of pictures of deer that I would never consider shooting because either there to young or there just not big enough. But I understand that what I might consider a "cull" buck might be considered a once in a lifetime buck in other states (that kinda cracks me up) so I try not to degrade the hunter or their "trophy". Most of the time I wont even post a response, I'll just read and look. But there has been a time or two when I just couldnt bite my tongue any longer :) But any way, good hunting to all and good luck.

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Hey now, keep that to yourself. LOL:D:D:D

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Adams, usually your posts are so self congratulatory, that I get little out of them. But this post is very useful, so that's what the green button by your name is for? Thanks I'll try it out!!

As for Bob-Co, I don't know why, but our personalities have clashed since the beginning. I do enjoy his John Kerry swings from side to side so I'll leave him unblocked. I like him he's funny :D:eek::D

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Exactly my point.

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You don't want to know my opinion on him. Good thing cause I wouldn't be able to post it here anyway. LOL :D:D:D


Really, please PM and explain.

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[:o] It's unfortunate you won't get to read this but I guess I shouldn't expect much more from a Yankees fan[:'(]

Really though, You can get you panties in a buch if you want I could care less;)

Good luck hunting. Now go out there and kill some dinks!

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I'm not blocking you I was just perterbed at your post. Because it wasn't long ago when you said, in reply to the thread
"I Just couldn't do it" about some guy who couldn't shoot a doe you replied.

"To each his own IMO if you feel good about the decision not to shoot her you made the right decision. Hunting IMo should be done for one's own self. With that said I'd have taken her. The fawns are no longer fawns at this time of year. There skippers and perfectly capiable of surviving on their own.

Either way I'm glad you feel good about the decision. "

And then you badmouth everyone who shoots a lesser deer.

If it's a trophy to them say good job and move on.

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This is a place to discuss things good and bad. Some may not like others ideas or ways of doing things, but it can open ones eyes to how things are done elsewhere. Yea it may not be the nicest thing to come in and rain on someones happy day, but to completely try and end all debate and persuasion would make things dull. Some people are far more arrogant than others when expressing thier views, not everyone hunts strictly managed texas ranches. Yes it'd be nice if the world were full of big bucks and everyone had a chance to shoot one but such is not life and I think most hunters here are happy with what circumstances they are dealt. However, in such places where people shoot every little buck by, trying to change thier ways of thinking ain't a bad thingi f done tactfully.

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Actually this is a discussion board and it's a forum for people to voice opinions. Whether you like or agree with them or not. There is always a right way and a wrong way to do things but in most instances the subject matter itself doesn't make it wrong. If someone has a strong opinion on QDM then they have every right to voice that opinion. I figure I have disagreed with just about everyone here at some point or another but that is part of the interest of being here. We all get to voice our differing opinions. Sometimes we are more diplomatic about it than we are at others times but that's all part of it too.


Exactly

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Nah, not you. But that's what makes you special Silent. And I must say that I always read your posts. - respectfully

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I wasn't going to respond because this could go on and on until one of us ends up with carpal tunnel:D

I don't believe this is an accurate statement. I questioned why a meat hunter would let does pass to shoot a small buck. I've congratulated a few guys for kills that I would have let pass but none of them said they were meat hunting. If you're happy shooting a buck that's great but I question why on would prefer to shoot bucks for meat when it's beneficial to the herd to shoot does and shot at multiple doe proceeded the shot at the spike. IMO it seems selfish.

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Now you're talking.........Let's get to the bottom of this..........:Dlol

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I know I know its hard to believe that I have on occaision voiced an opinion that was unpopular[:-] But seriously that's all part of what makes this thing go round. Some of you guys are more laid back and even keeled. Some guys are always the first to pat you on the back. Some guys like to argue for the sake of arguing. Some guys argue strongly when they feel strongly(and occaisionally fly of the handle[8D]). Sometimes we get a little frustrated with each other (or is that just me:D) but I think most of us (at least the old timers) have a mutual respect for each other, whether we tend to agree with each other or not. I happen to think Adams is absolutely right on with his take on this subject. But again that's just my opinion. However, we have disagreed (rather strongly) on a few other subjects. Just like Bob-Co and I have disagreed but I still respect what he has to say whether I agree with him or not. It's all part of the process of this board. We don't all think a like. But we have a right to express our opinions with in reason. QDM is fair game as far as I am concerned. Most everyones deer herd will benefit by shooting more does and letting the little bucks grow up. You certainly haven't accomplished anymore by killing a 6 point than you have by killing a doe. Now I also realize that in a few parts of the country or in specific areas that it wouldn't do any good because the guy next to you is going to kill them anyway. But it has to start somewhere and for most of us we can start making a difference by passing the little ones and we can continue making a difference by trying to get others to do the same.

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I agree with Adams in that a person will get more jerky from a 150lb doe than a 115lb spike or fork. So to say your a meat hunter and not go for that best volume of meat to me would seem counter-productive. I get this all the time from my relation. And they don't understand that it doesn't make any sense.
But here it is buck only, so I can't blame them for taking the first horns that come by.
Brian

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As mentioned many times already, this is a FORUM and that means it's a simple exchange of EVERYONE'S ideas and opinions! That's exactly what goes on here and there just shouldn't be much of a problem with that. I will also add that part of the idea and success of QDM is the sportsmans dedication to educate others in the practice. Therefor I believe it should be brought up frequently. :) Boys, the change has to start somewhere! I'm certainly not going to say anything about a new hunter wanting to take his or her first buck, by all means take any deer they want. I'm just saying as your personal skills increase set some goals and ones that will actually benefit the entire herd. As I've said MANY times, "take a DOE so the herd won't grow"! I do NOT like the fact that we have "hunters" out their that title themselves "meat hunter" and then hear about this person passing on a DOE to shoot a immature buck, thats just stupid.... it really is! Absolutely nothing could possibly explain that one! It's just a sad fact that to many "hunters" shoot the lil' guys JUST to tell their buddies or the gang at the local tavern that they "got their buck"! Only to saw off the "rack" and throw it in the closet or the trash, same thing IMO! [:@] I guess my attituade has been formed by living in an area that is supposed to be one of the finest for trophy bucks in the state of IL. Without fail the VAST majority of bucks at the check stations are compromised of young, immature, easily killed yearling bucks and it always seem that the "lucky" hunter is bitchin' about how "there just aren't enough BIG bucks around" or there are "to many out-of-staters huntin' here"......... WHATEVER! [:@] Let 'em go so he can grow......PLEASE?

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wow i guess ive learned to keep my stories to myself and pics lol good luck to evryone this season.

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There isn't a single meat hunter in these forums...a meat hunter doesn't exist....there isn't a single person here would who take the broadside shot on a 4pt that is standing 15 yards away when there is a 150 class buck standing 30 yards away....if you say you'd pass the 150 class buck and shoot the 4pt, I'm calling you out as dishonest.[&:] So why not pass those bucks when the 150 class isn't standing there....within a one tag state, you'll never shoot that 150 class if you shoot the first 4 pt that comes along.

I'm in agreement with passing small bucks but I never would condemn someone who doesn't.....and I don't think I've seen that happen in these forums. At least not in ridiculeness.

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I'd like to put something as plainly as possible because this post has gone in a funny direction.... People are starting to throw words around like "they have a right" and things of that sort. Nobody is saying that people can and can't post what they want. I for one tried to clarify what I thought the poster was trying to say and said that it wasn't that people couldn't post their opinions. It was that *I* wished you'd think twice before telling someone that a deer they just took was not up to *your* standards. As far as QDM, post about it till your blue in the face! I want to learn all about it so I can use it when I'm on a larger piece of land. I just don't want to read an apparent "knock" on someone elses deer (or my own).

You can say, "block my posts" but that really defeats the purpose for someone like me who WANTS to learn what you know about QDM but just doesn't want to hear another person's deer ragged on.

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[link]http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.asp?m=797243[/link]

I can find alot more but it's not worth my effort.

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I don't tend to post much here but have been visiting the site for a long time. In most respects I agree that you should congrat someone that posts their kill... who is happy about it and leave it at that. Who knows if it is someone just starting out, some kid or someone in an area with smaller racked bucks. As long as even an experience bow hunter doesn't apologize/whine for shooting a small buck and is happy with their buck... I don't have a problem with it. That ones that whine about shooting a little buck with the poor me syndrome and no big bucks need to be preach too though. I hate that as I deal with that here with some friends or hunters I know. Same pathetic " poor me " story year after year.


Whether everyone follows that guideline is not my problem. You want to save the world where your way is the only way or be just an @ss... have at it. I don't mind agruementive posts as long as there is worthwhile facts/beliefs being posted. I feel the person is responsible for their own posting. Name calling or belittling someone is pretty pathetic when that is all the post/posts consists of. Although, a few cheap shots in rebutal ever once and a great while is not neccessarily a bad thing and keeps the topic rather interesting. Heck it is even fun to do and I am not above it by any means.

And yes Rob, I am a meat hunter that would shoot the 4 pt at 15 yards rather then the 150 class buck at 30 yards. As long as he goes close to 140 rackwise and gives me a better shot, he is going down. Call me dishonest all you want. I would do it in a heart beat. You Eastern boys!! :eek:[8D]

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It is very sad to see people dog another guy for what he killed.If you cant say good job and go on about your business keep your QDM stuff for another post.I totally agree with QDM by the way but in no way would i try and ram it up someones azz while they are just posting there picture that is not the time nor the place to run your mouth about your personal feelings that you think its to small or you wouldnt have personally killed it WHO CARES what you would have done or not done save that crap for another post that you start about QDM.What if it was a young guy or gal 13 14 15 that killed a spike?Is it you place to go running your mouth about how you do things NO. Just say good job or congrats if you cant do that then just think what you want save it for the QDM post your gonna write and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.Dont ruin somthing that is very special.

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Did you ever see Jim Shockey's dad? He'd shoot the 4 pt over the 150 class even if they were both 10 yards and broadside. Meat hunters are out there. Are they bad? -Not to me.

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Stealthyone. . .I agree with you, but lots of hunters as we know have not learned or been exposed to people who can help educate or suggest that there maybe better ways to hunt as they grow and mature. I try to post positive feedback as much as I can but some policing/advice from a pier(sp?) group may work better than from some crazed anti. JMO. . . .:)

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I'm not for censoring opinions. If a person gets knocked for shooting a small buck, maybe he'll think for a minute, why others might think that's not the best thing to do. On the other hand, I understand that all newer bowhunters are happy to shoot almost anything and I clearly see why they do. I always congratulate them and usually at a later date, mention how nice it would be to shoot a really big buck (which they all agree to). Then I explain how that can happen.

Guys who have been bowhunting for many years and have had a lot of success, like myself, generally wait for older deer. This desire to wait for bigger deer, didn't happen over night. It was a gradual process that generally took a few years and some success. However it's all relative. In the area I hunt, only about 15 of every 100 bucks, make it to 2.5 years old. If you wait for a 3.5 year old to walk by, you may not shoot one buck for every 10 years of heavy hunting. I doubt many are willing to go this long without shooting a buck. I never shoot 1.5 year bucks, but I always shoot 2.5 year bucks. Unfortunately, try as I may, I cannot get my buddies to pass on the 1.5 yr bucks. If the mindset could be changed, then I'd up my limits also.

One of the great benefits of these forums is to help people see all sides. Many new-to-bowhunting people, will form and/or change their bowhunting opinions based on what they learn here. I think it helps with their evolution as bowhunters.

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Thanks Bowfanatic for posting those links. Thats my point guys, I'm all for QDM but that's me. I didn't start out as a youngster caring about QDM. I had to evolve into it. I hunt primarily Pa and you guys know that before antler restrictions, basket racks were the normal and truly nice bucks were rare indeed.

As what I hope is my last word on this subject let me summarize.

I don't think the beginning of this post was actually about QDM. It was about "us" as a forum, beating up a guy, who was proud of his bow-kill, because some members thought he was to small racked. Alot of us hunt on public land, we can make our effort to pass smaller bucks, but the truth is that the 100 other guys in them woods are going to shoot those bucks. I passed up 6 legal bucks opening day of rifle last year. On tuesday (2nd day of season) my cousin shot a 7PT that I passed on a day earlier (I also had this buck at 12 yards in bow season). He was proud and very excited. It was a trophy for him. All we can do as hunters is make sure that the animal we harvest is one we are proud of.

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Please don't. I know it may seem like you've been singled out here and that's not my intension but you've provided the perfect opportunity to make a point. Over the last week you've shot 3 bucks. You started with a 4 pointer, then a spike, and then a dandy 9 pointer. Seeing bucks like this isn't uncommon. You'd also been offered shots at plenty of does which you chose to pass on. By practiceing QDM you'd likely have the same if not more venision in the freezer. You'd have helped the herd by thinning (by my practices 2 does) and you'd still have a dandy 9 pointer to your credit. If it's legal (and from what I can see it's only legal to shoot two bucks in Ma per season*) you have the right to shoot the first two bucks but it dose nothing to help the herd. IMO it's a selfish act. By shooting two does and letting the two smaller bucks walk you help the herd by taking out two animals that will likely produce 4 off spring. It leaves more food for the deer herd and it will help to make the rut more "pronounced" with a more definative start and stop as opposed to a long drawnout and less pronounced rut.

Practicing QDM is an option but it benefits all hunters. It is beneficial for the herd and the health of the herd as well.



*4. BAG AND POSSESSION LIMITS:

(a) The seasonal statewide bag limit is 2 ANTLERED deer, and as many antlerless deer as the hunter possesses valid permits and tags for. The seasonal bag limit is thus determined by the number of valid deer tags in the hunter's possession. Hunters may possess antlerless permits for multiple deer management zones or multiple permits for the same deer management zone. Two "antlered-only" tags are attached to the hunter's hunting or sporting license. Antlerless deer tags are attached to the accompanying antlerless permit.

This can be found @
http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_p...guage.htm#deer

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I don't mind the concept of QDM ,
I just wish it's diciples would quit trying to get our DNR to implement it statewide on public land . [:@] Even if they had the funds available , which they don't and never will , I feel that QDM is the perogative of those private landowners who want to practice it on their own property .

I avoid preaching my personal methods to others and just try to be as helpful as I can to them , although I do try to keep less informed sportsmen informed when I think there's changes that may affect them .

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Badatta2d

That is what I was getting at in my original post. Be happy with what you harvest and give it the respect it deserves. Also, give your fellow hunters the respect they deserve. Suggestions and tips are always welcome. It's just that QDM leaves a bad taste in your mouth when RAMMED down your throat.

I am a meat hunter through and through. I have yet to harvest a buck as I have yet to see a big one before I see a big doe in a season. I have heard countless remarks about does being easy to shoot, etc over the years.......from buck hunters with empty freezers!

Apparently this post stirred things up a little, but, hey...such is life. Just be respectful of your fellow hunters. After all, they guy you insult may be the buy that helps you drag your deer out of the woods...

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Well guys, I see both sides of the story here and agree with both.

First, QDM is NOT about growing big antlers, it is about growing a healthy deer herd! It is about managing doe numbers to keep them in a close ratio with buck numbers. This puts more pressure on bucks to find does. When the buck to doe ratio is 1 buck for 10 doe, every little 1-1/2 year old buck has a chance to breed a doe. With the buck to doe ratio reduced, there is more competition between bucks which means that the more healthy and more dominant bucks are the ones breeding the does. This means that the best genetics are being carried through (genetics doesn't just mean antlers). Also, reducing herd numbers takes a huge strain off the enviroment! There are too many deer in most parts of the country now. Heck, I know the deer herd was predicted to be between 75 and 85 deer per square mile in my neck of the woods a few years ago. This many deer can do a number on plants and crops. Getting the number down takes that strain off these plants (deer have actually killed off entire species of plants across the country), and it also puts less presurre on the deer during the winter when food becomes scarce.

The meat hunter statement swings both ways. Sure, there are guys out there who are in it for the meat, they couldn't care less about antlers (my grandfather was that way up until last year). The point is, when people start calling themselves meat hunters even though they are passing up does to shoot immature bucks is a complete contradiction! One thing that I see alot of is these guys who won't buy a doe tag, but when they shoot a small buck, they declare themselves meat hunters. This is ridiculous, plain and simple. If you are a meat hunter, get as many doe tags as your state permits, shoot the does and pass on the small bucks, who knows, maybe a big buck will walk by. You could be passing up the future world record.

Now, I will say that I have no problem what so ever with a guy who goes out and shoots a small buck as long as he is happy with it and proud of it. If he is proud of his deer, who am I to rain on his parade? What I don't understand is the guys who go out and shoot a small buck, and when they tell everyone about it, they throw in the "I'm a meat hunter" comment. This is a lack of respect for the animal, it is almost like saying "well, I am not proud of him, but he is food". I think all hunters should shoot deer that they are proud of.

As far as people raining on others parades, I don't see that too much on here, and when it does pop up, it is usually from someone who is only posts to cause trouble, or someone who is new to the board and doesn't know how things work around here. Also, some people may shove QDM down others throats, but I don't see it much on here. QDM is something that all hunters should atleast respect. It is about giving something back to the woods/deer! It is basically a big "thank you" to the deer for all the thrills and excitement that they have given us.

I personally practice QDM, but that is just my preferance. I have private property to do it on, and it has made a huge differance in the health of the deer herd! I have already passed up my fair share of bucks this year waiting for the biggun. I wanted meat, so I sent an arrow through a big doe on the first Monday of season. I understand that not everyone has the land to practice QDM but it works on public land as well as private. Pennsylvania went to state wide antler restrictions and this year is incredible. The amount of bucks is up, the buck to doe ratio is down, the deer are healtier, the land isn't being destroyed by deer, and guess what, it has also helped increase rutting activity which creates better opportunities for hunters.

Like I said, I see both sides of the story. My point I am trying to make is that QDM ISN'T ABOUT ANTLERS, ITS ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE HERD!!!!!!!!!!

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What the hell does that mean? As long as a 4pt goes close to 140? You have to remember that a 4pt in eastern standards is a 2 pt your western count. A 4pt is a 2X2 and sure isn't going to be close to 140. I'm assuming your talking an 8 pt eastern count, a 4pt western count? Do you want to rethink your answer? I'm refering to a tiny little 2X2 measuring 20" and a 150 class buck....I don't even think you'd shoot the 2pt.(western count) You western boys!![8D]:eek:

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My 2 cents on QDM:

I think it is a great thing, in the right circumstances. For those groups that have 300, 500, 1000 acres where they can control the hunters, it is great. For those (me) that have 20 ac. surrounded by some private but mostly state land it WILL NOT WORK. I let the spike or fork horn go by, somebody is going to take a whack at it. Not saying I would always shoot a deer because I think someone else is going to get it, but it's the reality.

Athough the "real" reason for QDM may be herd health, the side benefit is larger antlers and that is why most buy into it, IMO.

As for "bashing" people for their harvest - I think it's assinine. If anything they should be congatulated and then maybe a question could be asked. But even then, why. Why rain on someone's parade. My 1st deer was a small (real small) doe. Was I proud/happy - you bet. Would I shoot that deer today - no. My first (only) bow kill was a nice fork horn. If someone started to give me sh*t about it I would think/know that they are a real a-hole.

Maybe we should start bashing those who shoot the huge 8-10 pointers, seeing how they are robbing the good genetics for the deer herd????;);););)

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Well said Buck Magnet. You saved me alot of trouble of having to type a lot of that :D. Although I am new to this forum, I am not new to how people react to other people on forums. Shoving your point of view down other people's throats only creates bashing wars in threads. I am not stating that anyone has done that because I would have to do some serious reading to find out. I am just saying that before you point the finger at someone for doing something that you don't necessarily agree with, you need to see it from there perspective. As was stated before, shooting a small buck might be something that one person would never consider doing, but for someone else, that might be a trophy. To criticize them for doing that is just plain wrong. On the other hand, to pass-up 3 does and shoot a spike and say you are a hunting for the meat, unless you don't have antlerless tags, deserves some criticism. Just remember, a trophy deer is different for everyone.

Btw Buck Magnet, good to hear about how good the deer population is up in Indiana. Down southwest of you, here in Fayette and Greene counties, we are having a hard time finding the deer. The deer population is way down to where no one is seeing any deer and most aren't seeing any big bucks. They really need to look into how they implement the QDM in the different parts of PA.

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BM-very well put.