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P_T_ 09-29-2004 06:57 AM

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Don't quite understand how this happens, but apparently it still does.

Btw, don't know the laws in other states but MO doesn't require you to wear hunter orange for bow season. Perhaps they should rethink that.

http://springfield.news-leader.com/n...rm-189134.html

BobCo19-65 09-29-2004 07:08 AM

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Almost the same thing happened to my partner last fall. He was walking back from a stand in full camo and had a turkey hunter lift his gun up safety off. Luckily my buddy saw the whole thing developing and yelled to the fellow. It shook him up pretty bad. My advice is to wear something orange while walking at least. I have a reversable had that I use.

mrfritz44 09-29-2004 07:08 AM

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That's a truly sad story and I'm sure his friend is devastated. I just have to wonder how the h*** anyone can mistake a man for a turkey......and with a bow? This falls into the realm of the inexcusable.

Stryker777 09-29-2004 07:08 AM

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Im in Missouri too. I am very suprised if it was truly an accident. How a man looks like a turkey I dont know. I think more people need to be sure they have clean kill shots before shooting. If you cant even tell its a person, then you dont have a shot. Comes down to personal responsibility. I agree the orange may help the hunter keep from being shot, but it is a huge hinderance when trying to get in close to a deer in archery season.
Stryker777

Arthur P 09-29-2004 07:12 AM

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Had a guy invite me to go 'bush hunting' with him once. Since I didn't know what that was, I asked. "You see a bush move, you shoot into it and see what falls out."

There are some real nutcases in the woods. Be careful out there!

GR8atta2d 09-29-2004 07:15 AM

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Another hunting season divorce?

I am always uneasy wallking in and out in the dark. Generally I carry a flashlight even if not needed. It's funny that I seem more uneasy during archery than other seasons. I guess dread being sliced and diced by the latest and greatest broadhead.

KimberRuger 09-29-2004 07:21 AM

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I'm sure I'll get royally reamed for this, but .... the guy who loosed the arrow should be prosecuted for criminally negligent homocide at the very least.

WTF ? How can you mistake a PERSON for a TURKEY ? (ok, there's probably a lot of turkeys here, but we're not talking about that kind).

What a moron !

One of the most basic rules of hunting is to know your target and what is beyond. This isn't the case of a bullet travelling over a ridge and hitting someone out of the line of sight - this was a friggin BOW. The shooter had to be close - within what, 20 yards ? If your eyes are so bad that you can't distingush the difference between a human and a turkey at 20 - or even 50 yards, you have no place in the woods.

Total negligence, just like waiving a loaded gun around.

Irresponsible, ignorant, incomprehensable, and inexcusable.

silentassassin 09-29-2004 07:22 AM

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Some people truely are idiots. Accident or not I think the guy deserves to go to jail. Let him go think about that stupid ass mistake that cost another human being thier life for a few years. At the very very very least it is involuntary manslaughter and he ought to be charged accordingly. "I didn't mean to", is not an excuse for taking a life. For you guys that are going to jump in and say well that could have happened to anyone..... Well no it couldn't have happened to me. I am not going to be shooting an anything that I can't tell what it is. What this guy did was criminal negligence and I hope they throw the book at him and then walk over and pick it up and slap him with it a few times.

P_T_ 09-29-2004 07:27 AM

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Just for the record I agree with the ones that say he should go to jail. It is still being investigated and another guy I work with told me this morning that the arrow went all the way through him, suggesting he was within at most 20 yards. The article did say the guy was crouching but I still don't get how you could mistake a crouching man for a turkey. Let alone be out in the woods with someone and not know where they are. That's one of the first rules I go by when out in the woods, if I'm with someone else, I know where they are.

whiskeysnoot 09-29-2004 07:28 AM

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Incredible. More incredible is how often this actually happens. You hear stories like this every year. Years ago my uncle worked for a guy that was mistaken for a deer by an old man. Shot on the tailgate of his truck, TWICE.

t roy 09-29-2004 07:29 AM

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i agree that the shooter is a complete moron, first of all they were hunting together, i dont know about you guys but when i am hunting with a friend we have a plan as where to meet etc at dark and we each have a general idea of where the other person is.

as far as jail time for the shooter, i dont know, cant say without knowing exactly what happened. BUT its hard to understand how this type of thing happens at all.

CBM SC 09-29-2004 07:32 AM

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I don't know.........but it sounds fishy to me !!:eek:

But I guess that comes from my lack of belief that anyone is "that" stupid out there hunting !!

Outlaw43 09-29-2004 07:36 AM

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Look before you shoot they should be held accountable for there action's

keithk 09-29-2004 07:53 AM

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Saw that in the Jeff CIty paper too. Something not right... fishy to me...

livbucks 09-29-2004 07:54 AM

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This is why I hate the thought of combined seasons in PA. some guys carry tags to shoot any deer, doe or buck. They see something move and open up on it. Even bow season this could happen. You are walking in the dark and some guy lets fly at you thinking you are a deer of any kind, he doesn't have to see if it is a doe or buck. SCAREY!

I carry a flashlight, a big one. lights don't scare deer anyway.

adams 09-29-2004 08:19 AM

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That's terrible. Truly terrible.:(

I still don't understand how accident like this happen. Identifying a target is one of the most important thing in hunting, Let alone bow hunting! How can you kill an animal if you don't know where you're going to hit it?

It's sickening to me that a person could get so caught up with killing a deer or a turkey that they loose sight of what's really important, having safe enjoyable outings to the woods. I like to bag a deer or turkey as much as if not more then the next guy but flinging arrows at dusk without knowing 100% positive what you're shooting at is absolutely ludicrous.

There was a man petitioning the courts to get his hunting priviledges back after not hunting fo I believe 15 years. He had shot his friend at dusk 20 years ago and did no jail time, Just 200 hours of community service speaking to hunters safty group about the incident. IMO that's getting off light. Neglegent homicide and reckless act with a firearm is more fitting charge.

I really feel for Mr.Cerda and his family.

Techy 09-29-2004 08:29 AM

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THat is terrible. I can't even fathum how anyone could possibly be that stupid. You should not have to wear orange bowhunting. How can you mistake a human for anything other than a human. DUMB!

Straightarrow 09-29-2004 08:39 AM

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I wouldn't change any laws because of one stupid guy. In New York, they just voted down requiring orange during gun season. The reason - it might give the dumb ones, an excuse to shoot if they don't see orange, even if they are unsure of their target. No matter what you do, you can't outlaw stupidity. Heck, who knows what the guy who was shot, was doing. He might have been moving around while making turkey calls in dense brush. I've seen this type of thing many times and have "called in" more than one dumb turkey hunter.

kevin1 09-29-2004 09:08 AM

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"Because leaves remain on trees, and brush and obscure hunters' vision, it's even more important to positively identify a hunting target, he said."

That pretty much says it all .

WThunter 09-29-2004 10:56 AM

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A few years ago there was a boy that mistakenly shot his dad for a squirrel! His dad was walking along the backside of a ridge in front of him and just his head would pop up and down and the kid thought it was a squirrel hopping along the ground. I have also head of a guy shooting a man out of a tree thinking he was a turkey on the roost.

Your eyes can play tricks on you sometimes. Your brain can tell you that what you see is what you are looking for sometimes even when you are not. This happens especially to new and inexperienced hunters. Be sure of your target and beyond.

wihunter402 09-29-2004 11:40 AM

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Sounds fishy. I have a hard time believing that someone can be that stupid. Did this man have a temper? Did they have a fight before they went out? I have known people who say a "hunting accident" can be a way to get away with murder. [:@] I sure would want every possibility looked into if I was the family of the poor guy that was shot. These things just shouldn't happen. An adult male looks NOTHING like a 25 pound turkey.

BobCo19-65 09-29-2004 11:48 AM

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I have a hard time believing that someone can be that stupid.


Arthur P 09-29-2004 01:26 PM

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So, what are you getting at, Bob? You saying if that feller had a brain, he'd be dead? Is that your point? [8D]

tmccarty11 09-29-2004 10:13 PM

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You dont have to wear orange in North Dakota either?

gibblet 09-29-2004 10:26 PM

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am i bad for laughing like he!! when i saw bobco's picture? i really find it hilarious.

BobCo19-65 10-04-2004 08:39 AM

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So, what are you getting at, Bob? You saying if that feller had a brain, he'd be dead? Is that your point?
Wasn't trying to get an anything more then replying to the quote that some else made. (above the picture)

wihunter402 10-04-2004 09:49 AM

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BobCo, I guess seeing is believing. How can someone get thru life being so stupid? How does a guy who looks to go over 250 lbs look like anything you would be hunting?[:@] I may have to believe someone can be that stupid but I don't have to understand it.

Just KNOW YOUR ($*#*$% TARGET!

BobCo19-65 10-04-2004 11:08 AM

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I may have to believe someone can be that stupid but I don't have to understand it.
After seeing my partner shooken up the way he was after almost getting shot by a turkey hunter while he was walking back from his bowhunting stand, I take things much more seriously. - Be careful.

wihunter402 10-04-2004 11:28 AM

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I do understand. Because of a thread on here a while back I picked up 3 of those green pen LED lights. I gave one to my Son and one to my Nephew. I have told them to ALWAYS have that on when heading out or coming back in the dark. That post about being drawn on while on private land was just to scary.

Sounds like you partner is OK. I am glad to hear that.

Old Bow Hunter 04-06-2005 12:48 AM

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I'm from Pa. and we had a few so called accidental shootings for game in our state. We are recomended to wear orange while hunting and still have some one shooting at a person for game....In my oppinion there is not a human bing in the world that looks like a turkey, deer, or any game big or small. In Pa. we have alot of greedy people that thinks and who will do anything to Kill something to prove that they are Hunters. When a man dressed in orange walking down an open road gets misstakingly shot and killed for a piece of game....To me I call it greed and not an accident.

Red Hawk 04-06-2005 01:09 AM

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I had problem finding the story but that's sad that happened. How someone can misread a full grown man for a turkey is beyond me.

throwingStarr 04-06-2005 01:44 AM

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Last season in my unit that i used to rifle hunt there were two incidents where two hunters were shot by other hunters ,one was fatal, i've since lost my desire to rifle hunter ever again even though i have accumulated a series of points for an upcoming elk draw,,i must say that since i started bow hunting these last few years i do feel alot safer being in the woods with a bow.


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