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muley69 08-29-2004 09:55 PM

Cannot stand another one of these hunts
 
I was watching hunting shows on TV today and inevitably on came yet another Texas whitetail hunt. I watched as the "hunters" climbed in to a custom tri-pod stand that resembeled a small condo. On que the feeder went off spreading bait across the ground. Soon after the deer arrived and the "hunter" shoved his rifle out of the blind while talking to the camera. Boom! A 200 yard shot and the deer tumbled into the brush.
The "hunters" surrounded the buck, held his head high, and slapped each other on the back before the returned to their comfortable lodge. If I were an anti hunter these Texas whitetail hunts would be shown at every one of my meetings. I cringe when I see these stupid "hunts" on TV. I dare any one who hunts this way to come out here to Montana and hunt elk with me for a weekend. Bring your Oxygen, first aid kit, water purification kit, bedroll, spare bow, insect repellant, and several pairs of hiking boots, waterproof of coarse. A special toast to you whitetailers who stay of stand all day and do it right.

Wolf killer 08-29-2004 10:19 PM

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I could not agree more. IMHO the best hunting show on the outdoor channel is Jim Shockey's. At least he still hunts for him animals. Jim hunts all over the world with his knight muzzleloader. You never know where he will be for one week to another.

muley69, What part of Montana are you from? I live in south central Montana.

RustyOlRanger4x4 08-29-2004 10:28 PM

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I watched one the other day where they were hunting in texas and one guy had shot his deer and on the way back they saw another deer down the road and these 2 guys were on some sort of platform on a truck but the guy decided to try the shot and he did manage to hit the deer and it dropped in its tracks but the ranged the deer with there range finder and the guy shot the deer at 450 yards. and thats not a typo the guy decided to try the shot and did it at 450 yards I was amazed at his shooting or his luck but I dont really agree with doing things of that sort

TXhighrack 08-29-2004 11:39 PM

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Muley69:

Here is an idea, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!!!!

Whats up with all the Texas bashing?? You guys are starting to crack me up.

Actually I'm proud to say that you described the way I hunt. Nothing like having 10,000- 100,000 acres to hunt all to your self, it really is wonderful. If we want to hunt from a truck, over a feeder, from a stand, shoot a rifle 500 yards, hey thats are right. Something you public land hunters wouldnt understand, you guys have to jump every time the DNR tells you to.


The "hunters" surrounded the buck, held his head high, and slapped each other on the back before the returned to their comfortable lodge
.

Yup, that sounds like what I'll be doing in December. Nothing like hunting in s. Texas.



I dare any one who hunts this way to come out here to Montana and hunt elk with me for a weekend. Bring your Oxygen, first aid kit, water purification kit, bedroll, spare bow, insect repellant, and several pairs of hiking boots, waterproof of coarse.
Well arent you a tough dude, am I suppose to be impressed by that?? I could hunt that way to, but I dont hunt on public land I hunt on private land, so I have the right to sleep in a nice mexican style hacienda looking out over the ranch.



If I were an anti hunter these Texas whitetail hunts would be shown at every one of my meetings.
Thats another good thing about Texas, we dont have an anti hunter problem and if they do start to cry we dont put up with them, like you guys up north and out west do. If hunting was ever banned, I promise that Texas would be the only state where hunting was still allowed. And if some yankee ever did try to ban it, hell we would just secced from the union, we've already done it once. :)


So please, stop your bitching. Us Texans really dont give a damn about what you guys think.

dep214 08-29-2004 11:47 PM

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not all texas hunting is the same.i have to lease the land i hunt on but the shots i take are up to me.i try to use common sense and ethical thinking. i would never shoot at 450yds as the chance for wounding is extremely high and most likely.hunters foregt what ethics are and just think of themselves at times. not all texas hunters are like that.the majority of texas hunters would agree with you.
hunting by feeders is not what you think.the biggest majority never see a deer around a feeder except for on a cam or at night.itis just a way to keep the deer movong thru your area.it by no means is a sure thing. i have hunted around feeders for over 40 years and have never shot a deer anywhere near a feeder.in fact while hunting i have never seen a deer around a feeder.you can not compare montana to texas. the temps,terrain,and available food sources are different. if you think it is that easy i invite you to come hunt for free with me.you will quickly change your mind

TXhighrack 08-29-2004 11:51 PM

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the majority of texas hunters would agree with you.
Not the majority, just the guys who live in East Texas.

dep214 08-29-2004 11:52 PM

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it has absolutely nothing to do with east texas. i hunt in west texas. not everyone is arrogant either

muley69 08-29-2004 11:57 PM

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Txhighrack, your post is a perfect example of idiocy. Shooting deer from a truck a 500 yards is just that: shooting. I literally laughed outloud when you wrote if you wanted to hunt elk like me you could. No you couldn't. Stop calling what you do hunting, it's not. People like you are fodder for the anti's, you hurt all sportsman, Texas or other places. Let me also say that this is not "Texas Bashing". I described in great detail the dynamics of the shooting. If you don't "hunt" that way, you shouldn't be offended, and if you do, you should be ashamed, in Texas or where ever.

dep214 08-30-2004 12:00 AM

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i invite you to hunt with me if you think hunting near a feeder is a sure thing. all you have to do is pay for your plane ticket

dep214 08-30-2004 12:03 AM

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please do not judge all texas hunters or hunting by the arrogance of a few.i assure most are not anywhere close to being like that

TXhighrack 08-30-2004 12:30 AM

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I'm only arrogant when I'm talking to people who are bashing me or bitching about things they dont understand. I dont have any need for those people, and when I come off as an arrogant person with a "I wouldnt wipe my butt with you attitude" they normally seem to shut up.

Muley69:


I literally laughed outloud when you wrote if you wanted to hunt elk like me you could. No you couldn't
Thats one thing I've noticed about some of you guys, especially the ones who hunt on public land. You guys seem to think your "superior" and "more of a hunter" then the private land hunter. And yes I could hunt elk like you. All I have to do is buy a $500 tag, find an area and start hunting. You do not have to be a super human to go on an elk hunt. But I could always go and buy my own elk herd. For a couple thousand $$ I could turn several head of elk loose on the ranch and have them to hunt when ever I wanted to. Theres a good chance that alot of them would be animals from your state, or another one of the western states.

Muley like I said, just turn the channel, and stop your bitching. We couldnt care less about what you yankees think. Another month and I'll be spending every day out on the ranch. Driving around in my hyrack truck for 3 straight months, man I cant wait...........

dep214 08-30-2004 12:33 AM

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that reply is not true. texas people do care what others think. the only one who don't are only concerned about themselves.muley,just remember that when you talk with tx to bring a shovel for all the manure

TXhighrack 08-30-2004 12:39 AM

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texas people do care what others think.
Only if your an old liberal like Dep. But most of them live in Austin or Houston, so I dont need to worry about them anyway.

And I'm not a bullsh*tter except on occasion, and besides I dont have any reason to BS, especially to some guy that lives 5,000 miles from me.

dep214 08-30-2004 12:40 AM

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like i said, bring a shovel for the bs. i am not a liberal and never have been. i am very conservative

TXhighrack 08-30-2004 12:44 AM

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Dang old man, aint it past your bed time?? I thought the lights went out at 10 at the retirement home.

dep214 08-30-2004 12:46 AM

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no retirement home or bs here. bring your shovel muley.

muley69 08-30-2004 12:46 AM

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TX, are you even reading your own post? I'm trying real hard to get pizzed off, but your too damn funny. You babble about "Texas Bashing" and in the same post start slamming those who hunt public land. What is your inferiority complex about public land hunters? In my original post I never commented about public/private land, I only know the hunt was in Texas. And stop saying you could come out here and hunt elk, you couldn't. Well okay, I'm sure the hunting for you would be good, the finding, however, would be a different matter entirely.

TXhighrack 08-30-2004 12:55 AM

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What is your inferiority complex about public land hunters? In my original post I never commented about public/private land,
Its just something that I've noticed. It seems like alot of public land hunters feel the need to badmouth guys who hunt on private land. You personally dont hunt like the guys on the show, but you feel the need to bash them. GET OVER IT!!! The only thing worse then a public land hunter is a public land traditional bowhunter.


And stop saying you could come out here and hunt elk, you couldn't. Well okay, I'm sure the hunting for you would be good, the finding, however, would be a different matter entirely.
Yeah I could. Some of you elk hunters act like huntng elk is like bringing down godzilla. Its just an animal, all I need is to find them and the game is over.

c903 08-30-2004 12:57 AM

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please do not judge all texas hunters or hunting by the arrogance of a few.i assure most are not anywhere close to being like that
10-4, dep! Such types can be found anywhere. Their handy to have around when the air is chilly. ;)

dep214 08-30-2004 12:59 AM

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arrogant people only think about themselves. we has hunters have to stick together. like i told muley, bring a big shovel for the bs from this guy. a good pair of hip waders might help also

SumHunter 08-30-2004 01:00 AM

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Why are you guys going at it when neither one of you has even tried to hunt the other man's style??? What the heck is all the Private Land, Public Land BS. Private or Public that has nothing to do with it: the mosquitos aren't thicker one or the other, it's not any colder on one or the other, and I guarantee you that you've got the same idiotic hunters on both.

I'm originally from Michigan and have hunted ever since I was old enough to hold a bow. When I was 19 I spent two years in Dallas, TX. Luckily, I had an uncle that had a lease with three other guys about two and a half hours west of Dallas. I spent four or five weekends out there with him hunting. The first weekend I was there, we saw a total of 13 different bucks anywhere from 70 yards out to 400 yards. I shot a large 3 1/2 y/o 9 point that probably scored somewhere near 140 to 145 the last night of the weekend hunt. Yes, the deer was standing at a feeder and yes, the deer was about 250 yards away. We were sitting in a tripod and my uncle told me it was big enough to shoot if I wanted. I stuck the rifle out the window and took the shot. After it was over, my uncle looked at me and was thrilled. I just kind of sat there...I couldn't believe it was over. My heart never once sped up or skipped a beat. To me, that wasn't hunting. At least not the way I was used to.
The year after I returned to Michigan, my uncle joined me on a hunt. Yeh, know it's kind of funny. He felt the same way in Michigan that I did in Texas.

Conclusion....It's whatever you're use to. If either one of you guys grew up in the same place as the other, you guys would be agreeing. Since we're all sportsman and we respect other sportsman, quit the bs and go on to another posting.

dep214 08-30-2004 01:07 AM

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i just got back from michigan last weekend. they use feeders there also. they also use food plots there just like texas.they have land more condusive to growing thing than texas. i saw soybean fields everywhere thet were green and plush. guess what,there was a feeder on the edge of the field. i wish texas could grow things like that here but rock and cactus are not condusive to growing things. therefore you have to offer alternate food sources. i hunt the same direction you talk about and it is all 1 buck counties.where in the world did you see that many deer? what was the county?

muley69 08-30-2004 01:09 AM

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Sum, you have completely and entirely missed the point. My original posting was about my concern for that peticular style of hunting, and the ammunition that it gives to anti's, but more importantly to the way it looks to people who don't hunt. It makes all of us look bad. At some point it is alright to step up and disagree or call out poor sportmanship. Admittingly, I have digressed with the whole TX thing. We have, however, established the TX doesn't like us "out west" or "up north" or liberals, public land hunters, elk hunters, old people, dep, and traditional bowhunters. Need I say more?

dep214 08-30-2004 01:14 AM

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wait a minute here muley. i am from texas. i never said i did not like people from montana. why are you lumping me in with this dufus. i agreed with you

SumHunter 08-30-2004 01:14 AM

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I don't have a clue but I can definitely find out. I do know it was almost straight West of Dallas. It will take me a day or two to get a hold of my uncle but I will definitely do so. Oh, and just to let you know. In Michigan we have three different zones. I live in the south zone where hunting over a feeder or food "pile" (like apples or sugar beats) is illegal. But you are right, we have the farmland and the hardwoods that produce corn, soybeans and acorns. About the only thing I saw in the part of Texas I hunted was cactus berries and the corn spread by the feeders.

dep214 08-30-2004 01:16 AM

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we were in macomb county michigan. the area i hunt is palo pinto county, or mineral wells. i am right off highway 281 near the rocking w ranch. that ranch belongs to the lady that owns all the walmart stores

TXhighrack 08-30-2004 01:17 AM

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Hey muley69 finally got something right.


My original posting was about my concern for that peticular style of hunting, and the ammunition that it gives to anti's, but more importantly to the way it looks to people who don't hunt
Thats just plain stupid. First off, antis dont care how you hunt weather it be from the bed of a ford f-250 or climbing the rocky mountians in a lion cloth. The antis want all hunting to end, it dosent matter what kind. And besides, piss on the antis. You give them an inch they take a mile, just look at CA. And secondly most people who dont hunt, arent going to be watching a hunting show on the outdoor channel.

dep214 08-30-2004 01:20 AM

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the antis first attack those hunters that show poor ethics. they then try to say that all hunters are that way.hunting out of the back of a truck is like pouring gas on a fire. you need to wake up to reality

SumHunter 08-30-2004 01:23 AM

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I was just looking at a map on mapquest to see if any of the towns rang a bell. Mineral Wells rings a bell but I may have just driven through it. I know I came into a small town and then turned and went northwest for about 20 mins. Does minerals wells have a stop light with a gas station on the south east corner?

dep214 08-30-2004 01:24 AM

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yes it does. you cross an old bridge over the brazos river

muley69 08-30-2004 01:26 AM

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Ditto Dep, you get it. BTW, when I wrote TX I was referring to highrack, not Texas in general. I think I have said all that I can say with reguard to this subject. TX put down your beer and go to bed, and not the one in your truck.

dep214 08-30-2004 01:29 AM

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ok buddy.the area is so thick where i hunt that you could stalk for days and never see any kind of animal. we have to have some food source and some way to get them out of the thick stuff. last year we just did not have hardly any cold weather either.it was a bad year

dep214 08-30-2004 01:32 AM

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stephenville has lots of good deer

SumHunter 08-30-2004 01:37 AM

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Okay, that's got to be it. Like I said I took the road that goes north and I would say approximately 20 to 30 mins and I turned right off the road. drove down a little two track for about 1/2 mile and their was the camp. There were I think four different leases on that particular land. I can't remember how many acres his lease included but I do remember him telling me something about the land owner having part of his lease sprayed by airplane to kill off the underbrush for the cattle. Does that sound right? I'll have to see if I can dig up my pics of the bucks I took...I saw more bucks the first weekend out there hunting than I did in my prior four years in Michigan (also remember - I was young and not a smart hunter back then).

dep214 08-30-2004 01:40 AM

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it sounds like you went south instead of north.you descibe more of stephenville that mineral wells.my side of the highway does not have near as many deer as the other.

SumHunter 08-30-2004 01:42 AM

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I don't know for sure...I will find out and let ya know.

dep214 08-30-2004 01:45 AM

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let me know when you find out. further down the highway is a town of eastland


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