I have a PSE flash at 70 lb pull back and with a min arrow grain of 420 and I am shooting carbon fury 250 arrows with 100g thunderheads. My draw length is 28" and I got my arrows cut the other day at 27.5". Does anyone know if these arrows will meet the min arrow grain of my bow? I was told the 250 is the same as 4560 so the shaft is 10g per inch, inserts are 15g, knock 12g, and Vanes 24g. If this is right I should be at 426 grains. Does anyone know if this information is right? Thanks


HeadHunter4

The weight is fine but I'd be worried about spine. I check the chart on Friday and you appear to be underspined but I couldn't confirm that the 250 and the 4560 were the same shaft.

How do I fix the spine? Does it have anything to do with arrow length? The tips of my arrows dont even come 1/4 of an inch out of my funnel rest. Is this anything to worry about? I was told that the 250's are the same as the 4560's but I couldnt find anything on them either so I took their word for it.


HeadHunter4

I'd email bass pro and see if you can get a chart for the 250 arrows. If the arrows are under spined it will be dificult to obtain optimum flight. If they are too underspined that can do worse things[:'(]. It's best to find out for sure. The sooner the better IMO.

Do you have their e-mail address or know where I can find it or do I just goto their website and send in a customer service request?

Let's just say the 250's are the same as the 4560. (I don't know that for fact, but let's just say they are.) With a bow set at 70 lbs, pulling back 27.5" of arrow with 100 grains hanging on the end, a 250 falls into the weak spined arrow list. You still can do a few things... if you're dead set on shooting a weak spined arrow. Let's look at a some.

Drop the bow weight. This will help compensate for a weak spined arrow. Lower it to 65 pounds. Really, unless you're shooting at dangerous game, there's no reason you need 70 pounds to take whitetail sized animals with a properly tuned bow. My whitetail hunting is done with the bow set a little over 60 pounds. Clean Pass throughs with a mechanical head at 35 yards with 60 pounds of draw... nuff said.

Shave some weight off the broadhead. Buy a lighter model. This can be expensive, if you have a good stock of the 100 grainers on hand. I wouldn't do this, but hey, if you REALLY wanna shoot the 250's...

Shorten your draw. This can make a weakly spined arrow work for some, BUT at a pretty big trade in performance. Shortening the draw means you reduce the power stroke of your bow. This equates to less fps, thus less impact energy. Shooting shorter than you are also means you won't be comfortable and accuracy could suffer. Nope, I wouldn't do that one either.

Shortening your arrow on the other hand will make the spine stiffer. This means you can shoot higher poundage AND probably get away with the 100 grain heads, BUT (there's the dreaded BUT again), you create two new issues by doing so.
No.1, you have to have an arrow rest that can be adjusted back far enough to hold the shorter arrow. I shot overdraws was speed was king way back then. I wouldn't shoot one on my hunting rig. Some may, but accuracy issues can result.
No. 2, by shortening your arrow, you take away the arrows recovery time. GENERALLY, the longer the arrow, the quicker it is to stabilize, WHEN it is the proper spine.

Just a couple things to think about. If it were me, I'd drop that draw weight back and head to the range with a fist full of 250's. If they still showed weak spine in flight, I'd get different shafts. Done deal, problem solved.