Proshop blues.
 

I recently visited my local Bowshop and had my arrow speed checked out. I was curious since there had been quite a bit of chat on the fourm about KE and such. It shot at 268. I was bummed a bit and asked if there was anything I could do to speed it up. He looked at my bow like it was a piece of s*#t and said "well if you hadn't looked just at the price and bought a better bow..." I couldn't believe it. This is the same guy who sold me the bow 5 months ago. I know its not the top of the line Bowtech but I have been proud to own it. It's very very light and fairly quiet. Not to mention extremely consistent. But he really made me wonder...should I have spent an extra $200. The thing is I'm a teacher and my wife stays home with my son so I don't have a lot of money to spend. I worked straight through a christmas break to give myself this present. I guess I'm just ranting but he made me soooo mad!!!

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Actually 268 seems pretty good. What speed were you hoping for? What's on your string...everything including the kind of peepsight. Last are your arrows feathers or vanes and big. Do you know your full arrow weight?

Thanks!

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Looks like a new shop is in the near future for you. It would be for me. 268? That's plenty fast enough. If your bow is what you want in a bow, then heck....that's good enough. Main thing is, can you shoot well with it and are you confident with it in your hand?? If those two things are correct, then I have to say you have a great bow. Should you have spent the extra $200? Naww...there's something new comes out every dang year. Somthing new, something better. Unless you have an unlimited supply of $$, there isn't anyway to have the latest or the greatest all the time.

Heck look at what the trad guys shoot with.....they seem to kill a deer every once and a while. Just kidding guys. ;)

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I have a truglow pep sight tied across to the cable for alignment, string leaches, and I'm getting rid of a string loop. Gold tip 5575 arrows 29" long with 4" feathers and 100grn field point. I was hoping to at least be 280.

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My question for you is, do you like your bow, and do you shot it well, and most of all, do you have confidence in it?? If you answered yes to these, then dont worry what anyone else thinks, and continue with what you have. Weve got a shop like that where i live and hes really pissing people off including me, to him if its not a Matthews its junk, dont get me wrong, I love Matthews bows and have owned several different and would have bought another last fall if it wasnt for his attitude. Dont let anyone put your stuff down, if it fits you and your pocketbook, and you like it thats all that matters.;)

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By the way you also mentioned speed, 268 is plenty fast for a hunting bow, everyone is so caught up in super speed, but even with a faster bow I usually try to keep my speed around the 270 mark. I worry way more about noise, no matter how fast your bow is, if a deer hears it hes going to jump the string, and if he dont hear it, it dont matter how slow your bow is, hell be right there.

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Well Stalker! I think 268 fps is plenty fast enough to do the job.If you really like this bow then why care what anyone think's .As for the comment from your bowshop I'd be pretty ticked off because if he was the one that sold it to me and now he's running it down that speaks volumes about his business qualities.But like most of the people here they all have budget's and it's all about getting the best bang for your buck ,if this bow was what you thought was the best choice for you then the H--- with everyone.You need to be the one who's satisfied .There's lot's of little thing's you can do to pick up a few FPS ,but do you really need it ? Sure you could have spent a couple extra hundred dollars on an upgraded bow but I'd wait and in a couple of season's and your still into bowhunting then move up to the next level.

nubo

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I can remember when bows were breaking the 200fps barrier, and people were happy to be there. Folks don't shoot any better now than they did then.

Speed won't compensate for inaccuracy. 268 is blazing in my book. You're fine.

By the way...I'm a teacher, too.

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Screw that shop. Why give someone with an attitude like that any more business? It sounds to me like you have a pretty nice bow. (Gotta love BowTech! :) ) Even if you had a $50 ten-year-old Bear, he's way out of line to put it down. You may have to drive a little farther, but I'll bet there's another shop around there whose owner ISN'T a jerk.

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Stalker22.........You could maybe get 10 fps mor out of it by putting in a small peep with no alignment tube (fletcher hunter peep), get rid of the string loop and make sure you have only one nock-set. You could also drop to a 90 grain head. HHHHMMMMM, all this for another 10 maybe 12 fps........NOT WORTH IT!

Shoot this bow and when it time for new one maybe you'll want a faster rig...fine...but even with your draw length 290-295 for a hunting set-up isn't that much faster!


Have a great season!

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Man, 268 is plenty good. I shoot 268 also, and i have NO problems whatsoever. 3D, hunting, anything. I mean, i could see why youd be pissed about what the guy said, but i wouldlnt worry about your speed at all. If anything, put some leaches in there, a fletcher tru peep, and a soft nock with 2 bumbers underneath, and you might gain some speed.

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Did the shop say what you heard - did you hear what he said - was it said as a joke or in contempt?

This time of year shops are getting very busy and shop owners are deluged with business. In an effort to meet everyones' needs, we can get a little 'punch drunk'.

I know this because I had an incident with a customer several years ago. It was even brought out on this forum. What I said was meant as a light joke and the customer was in no mood to hear it. He left and I never knew about how he took the comment until he posted about it on this forum. We finally got to talk (off the forum) and we are now back to dealing with each other.

What I'm trying to get at is that we're sometimes quick to judge a relationship based on just one 'off the wall' comment. If this would prove to be a general attitude, then your reaction would be justified.

BTW, I killed my biggest buck with a bow shooting 263 fps.;)

Good luck with your bow.

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I wouldn't complain about 268, I shoot 211 with my bow set up with a 415 grn arrow. I own a brand new Bowtech Mighty Might VFT. I was a bit depressed about the speed, expecting more like always. I think you will find if you do the math your bow is plenty fast enough. It's just your set up that is limiting your speed. When I did all the calculations for arrow weight, draw length, and draw weight I came up with my bow shooting at the high end of what it was rated at (320fps). So I guess 211 for for my set up was pretty darn impressive.

Chances are if you would have spent 200 dollars more you wouldn't have really gained all that much any way. You may even have ended up with a bow that didn't shoot as well as the one you got. Just out of curiousity, what bow did you get, and what is the other bow for 200 more he thinks you should have bought. Just buying the most expensive bow on the rack doesn't insure that you bought the "best" bow.

The best way to pick up speed is to lighten your arrows some. However I don't think you will notice the difference between 270 and 280 fps. You probably wouldn't even have to change your pin settings. Maybe at longer distances, but not at 20 yards.

I don't even think shop owners should tell customers how fast thier bow shoots, or how much poundage they draw. It just messes with your head. The only real reasons to know your speed and poundage is to measure if something changes for trouble shooting purposes. And you need to know your poundage to get proper arrows. You should set the bow up the way YOU want it, and the way it is comfortable for YOU to shoot. Then don't worry about it. There isn't a bow made right now that is not capable of downing a deer. If I can do it at my size, any normal person could do it with ease.

Don't doubt your bowtech, you will give it a complex. Say you are sorry and whisper sweet things to it. How would you like it if your girlfriend said "That was good, but I was expecting more.". Hurts, doesn't it.;)

I won't even get into the shop thing. Did you tell him he is the one who sold you the bow. And I don't care what model you bought, Bowtechs are expensive compared to other bows. It's not like you got a Rack Master light from Jennings or something.

Paul

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Nothing wrong with your bow shootin 268-fps. More speed sometimes just lets you miss deer quicker.;) I would not change a thing. Your setup will kill any deer, bear, elk or moose that walks on this planet.
Good luck hunting, dont get too caught up in this speed hype. Fred Bear killed lots of critters with a much slower bow than yours.

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If mine was shooting 268, I'd quickly be shooting a heavier arrow to slow it down. Speed doesn't kill, accuracy and super sharp broadheads is all it takes. Also, keep in mind that there are no magic bows. If it's faster, then you're putting more effort in the draw. Some are slightly more efficient than others, but for the most part, you get out what you put in. Everyone should pick out a draw weight and draw cycle that's comfortable. Then shoot a properly spined arrow with high F.O.C. and live witht the speed, because it's the least important part about shooting well.

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I hunted with a Bear Whitetail 2 until 2000, when I bought a new Hoyt. I shot 2219 with 125 gr. broadhead off that Whitetail. Didn't worry about the speed of my set up then, and I still don't. All that matters to me is the bow feels good in my hand and the arrow hits where I aim. Sound like you got a good set up. If you like the bow then who cares about the speed if it works for you. :D. Happy hunting.

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I droped by the shop today to give them one more chance and would you believe the guy I talked to had sold the shop! That was his last day there. It's under "new management". A pair of brothers bought him out and their revamping the entire store. New inventory, new attitude. Today it was like walking into a totaly different place. The new owner and staff were awsome. They switched out a string loop to a nock for me and even gave me a bow101 lesson while it was on the press. I mean the whole shop took on a different atmosphere. I stayed and shot for about an hour and felt right at home. It's amazing what a difference one person can make.

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Stalker 22,

That's great about the new owners. A good pro shop is a wonderfull thing. It's almost like having an auto mechanic or doctor that you can trust.

One thing that you might ask them about is your arrows. The 5575 is usually underspined for your set-up. The bad news is that an arrow with enough spine is often heavier and slower than the 5575's.

Good luck
Allen

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This is what matters. You're consistent and to be completely honest 268 is plenty fast enough for a hunting rig. I'm pullin 74lbs and shooting basically the same as you 270 fps. If you can hit your mark thats what counts.

I feel too much emphasis is put on speed. It's another gimick the manufacturers use to sell high end bows. If it weren't in the formula for ke I would even chrono my bow. Your bow is fine and as you'll see this fall, very lethal:)

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Good gravy Stalker, from what you have there, 268 is very respectable... unless your pulling 75 pounds or more with a 33 inch draw. ;) What is your draw lentgh? If you say anything under 30", even close to 70 pounds your bow is doing a fine job! I'm glad you opted to remove the string loop... it shortens your draw, which slows you down a wee bit, but more importantly it's just something else to go wrong at the worst opportune time, IMHO.

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Rule #1. When you've got a bow you are 100% satisfied with, that shoots great for you and you're happy, DO NOT TAKE THAT BOW ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A CHRONOGRAPH.

It's amazing how quick a great bow can turn into a POS because of the numbers that come up on the chrony's screen.

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Darn, thats probably great advice but I did want to know. Now I'm torn between do it and don't do it.

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Speed is fine...Accuracey is FINAL!

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I have to admit (nothing against Matthews owners) when I went to the shop and shot some arrows Saturday I met up with a friend who is shooting a Matthews Legacy. As we were shooting he explained how much he loved his set up and he said it was sooo much quieter. But as we were shooting I realized that my draw and release did not produce any more or less sound than his (I should be able to tell this considering I teach band for a living). I also noticed that his was no more accurate than mine. My arrows were consistently within 1" 1/2 of each other which for me (a city boy turned country) I think is prety good. Only other thing I want to change is adding sims limb saver and slide the blocks down to see if it will quiet it down even more and perhaps next year switching to a zebra or champion string and cable (a better string and cable will let me loose the strap on my existing peep and give me a lil more zip I think). You guys have been so much help and supportive. It's great to have a forum like this. (I should get my wife to bake ya'll all some cookies or somethin'). :D:D:D

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I killed deer with bows that are only shooting 200fps. you've got all the speed you need to take big game. If you can shoot you can take ' em.

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Hay buddy, there still some more speed in your bow! Try a 45/60 arrow with a 85 gr head!
I work in a pro shop. Some times speed has to worked toward. i would keep the string loop.I would use cat wiskers, trimmed close and moved out toward the cams (about 1 in. from them) Use a small peep. I think you should be in the 280 range!

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If they ever made a remark like that about my equipment I think I'd find a different shop to go to.. JMHO..

Any bow will kill from a 25 dollar one to a 1000 dollar one, All that madders is your happy with it.. :)

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At 268 fps you have good speed , plenty of speed . sounds like your local shop and mine are some kinda kin , two DUMBA___. i do all my bow tuning , arrow building, string and cable building cause of shops like these . it was something i wanted to learn to do anyways and now i make money doing it .