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More people are shooting carbons today for many reasons. 1. They are generally faster. 2. They remain more consistant in their straightness over time. 3. The response and the properties carbon possess allow for increased penetration ability. 4. The smaller diameter of most carbons allow for less friction on the shaft also allowing for better penetration. 5. Ultimately, and I will get bombarded with responses on this, you will have increased kinetic energy with a carbon arrow compared to a properly spined aluminum with the exact same setup. 6. With carbon having a very quick recovery time and lighter weight you end up having a very flat trajectory out to around 30 yds (on average)7. with all of these benefits, one can purchase a dozen carbons now for roughly the same price of aluminums. I used to shoot XX78 2315 with 125gr. 2 blade magnus at 238fps. With the same bow I am shooting a Carbon Express CX 300 with a 100gr G5 at the same poundage and am shooting 275fps. When all is said and done I now have more kinetic energy and increased velocity. I used to swear by aluminums...but after accidently bending my arrows in the field & loosing their straightness after practicing on 3D targets...I now swear at them

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Carbon Bemons ICS 400

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Carbon Express CX-200's. Geesh, i figured aluminum was pretty dead...The pro shop i go to sells 1 dozen aluminum arrows for roughly every 100 dozen carbon arrows(Beman and Carbon Express). With the high quality of today's carbon arrows like Carbon Express and Goldtip's(have yet to shoot them, but i have heard only good things of them), i think A/C/C's dont offer a huge advantage, considering carbon is so much more affordable.

slayer

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I think one reason you are getting a few "fliers" out of your Easton C2 340's is that if your setup is spined for 2117 or 2314's your 340's are most likely overspined for your setup. You would probably want to move down to the C2 400's. The 340's are generally used for draws over 30" and/or over 70 lbs in draw. My guess is that if you had your aluminums spined for your setup at a good pro shop your setup is around 50 -60lb range and at most 30" in draw. If so your 340's are most likley "knuckle-balling" towards the target.

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Carbon Express CX 300

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To be perfectly honest...you probably would have shot through the plywood with a good carbon.

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I'm trying to decide what kind of shaft I'm going to go with right now. Currently I'm shooting easton redlines. Does anyone else have suggestions or comments on what new shafts I should go with.

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I'd go with Carbon Express..best carbon arrow on the market.

slayer

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I shoot Goldtip 5575's. Cant beat them for the price. I buy the shafts and fletch them myself , with 4 inch Duravanes 6 degree helical.

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GoldTip XT Hunter 7595 - Best for the price in my opinion and can take a serious beating!

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I would go with Carbon Express. They are currently the strongest shaft on the market with the best ability to reduce oscillation after the shot. But most importantly make sure the arrows are spined correctly to your setup. They run about $90. /dzn. But are well worth it. Your Easton Redlines are a bit old in technological years and Easton has made many improvements to their line since then...especially in durability. I could send you a video showing Carbon Express in direct comparison with the other top manufacturers if you like. They beat them all hands down. However, if you are a Made in the USA kind of guy...go with Gold Tip...they are the straightest and strongest ones Made in the States...Easton/Beman being a very close second (lacking only in the straightness factor) with Blackhawk Vapors a good third(they are very straight...but not as durable as I would have liked to have seen).

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I currently shoot CX300's they seem to be accurate and tough.

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Easton c2 carbon

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carbon all the way 80% of the time - the other 20% is ACC's which are a combo.

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I have shot both, I started with carbons as a matter of fact. I got a half dozen Arrow dynamics nitro stingers with my bow when I bought it. They were good arrows, I liked them. They are just hard to get a hold of is all. I played with several other carbons, they all shot fairly well. Then I tried some aluminums just for the heck of it. That is pretty much all I will shoot now. After doing some research and a lot of reading on forums like this I don't think the carbons are all that they are made out to be, especially the inexpensive ones.

I shoot aluminums because the have the best tolerances for the money. You can buy cheap old gamegetter xx75 green arrows and they have better tolerances and are more consistant than most carbons. I have heard too many stories about spine not being consistant, or arrows not being straight right out of the box. When you buy a dozen arrows and 3 or 4 of them are a little off before you even use them, I think I'll pass. Not that I shoot well enough that I could tell a difference, it's just a mental thing I guess. I'm not saying all carbons are junk and they shoot like crap. Actually every carbon arrow I have used has shot just fine and I I didn't have any problems destroying them with other arrows. When people ask me about carbons I tell them two things. Get good ones, and get them stiff. The better ones are sorted a bit better. And the stiffer arrows are less likely to show spine inconsistancies.

Plus aluminums are easier to work with if you like to build or repair your own arrows. And they work better on a prong rest with different fletchings (unless you are shooting skinny ones, I have shot skinnier aluminums than some carbons are). I currently shoot 2016's or 2213's. The 2016's are spined pretty close to what I need, and the 2213's are pretty stiff for my set up. I like stiff arrows though. I have shot smaller ones as well, for low poundage target stuff, or just goofing around. For goofing around when I had my bow turned down to like 40 lbs I was using 1816 jazz's with feathers. And a few years ago when I tried indoor spots I was trying all kinds of crazy stuff. I was shooting 1714 X7's at 22 inches with feathers. Sounds weird, but they actually flew pretty well. I should clarify that last statement and say that I only have like a 25 some inch draw and was shooting a muzzy Zero effect, which is an overdraw rest. That's still one short freakin' arrow. Everyone joked that the fletchings took up half the arrow.

Paul

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I still use Easton XX75's in #2315. They work great in my old PSE Edge 1000C bow.

Butch A.

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Currently use Carbon Express and they work fine for me...

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I've alway's and only hunted with Aluminum arrow's. Swear everyone tried talking me into carbon....But what I'm using I alway's get a compleat pass through...and am extreamly happy with em....Why fix it..if it ain't broke..

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First off...DO NOT JUST GO OUT AND FIND AS STIFF OF AN ARROW AS POSSIBLE AND SHOOT IT OUT OF YOUR BOW!!!!! Properly choose an arrow that is spined acording to your set-up! AN ARROW THAT IS TOO STIFF WILL ALSO NOT FLY AS PROPERLY AS IT SHOULD!!! As straightness is concerned...Easton recommends that an arrow to be at least straight to .006 of an inch to be fine for any hunting application. Furthermore, ANY aluminum arrow after it has been shot 3 to 4 times into ANY 3-D target and removed has drastically changed its straigtness...up to a difference of -.003 of what it had been to start with. Yes, in more times than not an aluminum hunting arrow OUT OF THE BOX can be very straight...to .0015" (Superslam Selects ). This is due to the fact that aluminum can be straightened mechanically by a machine. However, the common arrow straightener devises out there do an ok job at keeping and arrow "shootable" but you will never achieve the original uniform straightness.

I do agree that one should buy a better made carbon over a "cheap" one.

The difference in accuracy between a .003 straightness carbon and a .002 straightness aluminum (XX75 0r XX78) is unnoticable at any regular hunting distance.

Carbons are just as easy to refletch and set up for any rest. You can even purchase carbons that are the same outside diameter as a 23 (i.e. 2315, 2317...) series aluminum.

The only down side with carbons is that the inserts are not adjustable once installed. However, this would mean only a slight difference in the tuning process when tuning broadheads.

Carbons will retain their straightness shot after shot

Carbons will out penetrate an aluminum IN EVERY CASE (when shot from the exact same setup)!

OVERALL...CARBONS ARE SUPERIOR TO ALUMINUMS. But if your aluminums shoot fine for you, or if you have an older bow (10+)...use them they are still a good arrow.

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I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about it, but I believe the opposite of pretty much everything you said to be true. And until someone can scientifically prove it otherwise to me I will continue to believe it. I have shot arrows that spined up to 100 lbs out of a 50 lb bow and they flew absolutely perfect, even with a fixed blade head. And I don't believe shooting an aluminum into a 3-d target will make it become less straight, unless you don't pull them correctly, or you bow is so out of tune and you have such long arrows that they are whipping around when they hit the target. I have however seen carbons get ruined by repeated shooting into 3-d targets. Mostly due to improper removal though. But it's much more common because they are so hard to get out if you don't lube them. Also I think because of the heat generated by friction when they enter the target. This could also be solved by lubing your arrows.

I didn't say carbons sucked and you should never use them. I just feel that aluminums have better quality control for the money is all. You will never talk me into beleiving different, as I will most likely not change your mind. That's the cool thing about archery. It's so opinionated. Almost like politics or religion sometimes.

And I have worked with both aluminums and carbons, There is no freakin way carbon is as easy or easier than aluminum shafts. At least not to me any way.

That being said, I may go back to carbons for a while. I am looking for something light to shoot out of my new bow. And that is what they excell at after all. I'm not really planning on hunting with it though.

Paul

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Alum. Eastons.........I like them

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A/C/C's here

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pse carbon force competition pro

Brian

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I switched to carbons last year, I was using aluminum, Easton 2216 now I use Buckmaster 4000 carbon arrows, I like the way they fly through everything!

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i shoot carbon express

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I started with alum. then switched to carbons. I got tired of trying to figure out if the arrow was bent or if I caused the last stray shot. I then switched back to alum. I felt the carbons were too light and did not give me the kinetic energy I was use to with the alum. However, they now make heavier carbon arrows. I think this will be the best of both worlds, and I might give them a try this year.

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You can't beat carbon I don't care how much you try!:D

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Hey, I didn't mean to ruffle you feathers...but being a professional in the industry, and a CERTIFIED EASTON ARROWSMITH (educated and certified by employees of Easton Aluminum Inc. to understand the physics and characteristics of arrows and their use) it is my job to make sure people understand the facts before what they have been told could be mis-construed. According to your thought process regarding stiff arrows...you are right they will seem to fly straight and probably will...however, if they are OVER-SPINED ( not the stiffer arrow for that setup on a selection chart) they will possess less velocity, and trajectory than If you shot an arrow that was spined properly to the bow setup. Shooting an arrow that is over spined is the easy way out of going through the motions of tuning you set up....yes your arrow will fly straight...but you will sacrifice energy and trajectory. If you feel that what I had said to be un-true, you can ask any physics professor or any bow technician about what I said and you will find that they agree with me. I never ment for you to assume I felt aluminums were inferior in performance to that of carbon...I should have chosen my words better to state that carbons, across the board, have better characteristics than aluminums after the shot and, that compared to aluminums, are more durable during normal usage. But, regarding your non-belief that aluminums don't loose straightness, if you watch slow motion videography of an arrow shot into such a 3Dtarget you can SEE how they become less straight. Yes, it is a matter of choice I WILL NEVER ARGUE THAT. In fact I stated that at the end of my last posting. I will never try to tell a person that they should use one type over another...I will let them make up their own mind. About quality control for the money...many carbons are now about equal in straightness to the more popular aluminums out there and within about the same price range. Most of the carbons produced by Easton/Beman (same company) are in the same price bracket ($60.00 dzn) as Easton's most popular XX75 with uni-nocks and only differ in straightnes to them by .001"...un-noticeable by any hunter at any normal hunting distance. However, if you like stiff shafts...and are truely thinking of trying a carbon again as you said...check out the Carbon Express Terminator Hunter arrows...they are stiff and as heavy as most aluminums out there and are virtually indestructable. You know what...I WILL EVEN SEND YOU A COUPLE TO TRY FOR FREE!! They are made for Cabela's by Carbon Express, the only difference is that Cabela's name is on it and not Carbon Express). Now these arrows are about .006" in straightness...however...they do offer the Terminator Hunter Select arrows wich are straight to .003" (same as any XX75)and are just as heavy as the non-select model. I will even send you a video showing the slow motion stuff as I said...I am not trying to sway your opinion or change your mind...you wanted it scientifically...I will give it to you. Email me an address to send it to and I will gladly do so...please give me your feed-back as well!! With out getting too long I could also tell you how easy it is to refletch and to take care of carbons as compared to aluminums. Just as easy...just a different process not any more complicated.

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About kinetic energy...the arrow has very little to do with KE if the setup is exactly the same...it has more to do with the bow and the energy it is able to give the arrow upon the shot. KE will vary only slightly between 2 arrows of different materials. This is a common KE equation used by bow technitians to give kinetic energy...Total Mass of Arrow x the velocity squared...divided by 450240. This will give you the delivered foot pounds of that setup. Just try and find your "happy medium" between speed and arrow mass. But, having said that, the two arrows may appear similar in initial KE (when their velocity is measured through a chronograph at 4 to 6ft), but the lighter arrow will loose energy quicker than the heavier arrow as the shot becomes longer.

An added note...shaft material will have a lot to do with how the arrow retains that energy upon contact with the animal. Aluminum will take longer to recover than a carbon will. Carbon recovers very quickly and drives deeper due to more retained energy after recovery. A great example is look at how much deeper carbon penetrates 3D targets than a comperable aluminum (with similar diameter) shot from the same bow at the same distance.

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Carbon, I was setting a bow up for a fella that had a longer draw length than me,and I wanted to shoot it before he go back,I did, and shot over and went through a 3/4 ply wood,took a hammer and drove it back out ,never hurt the arrow or tip,that sold me!

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I had a big long response to this, but erased it. It really just boils down to the fact that I hear too many horror strories about people buying carbons and they have 3 or 4 bad ones right out of the box that won't fly right. I rarely hear this with aluminums. And if having the perfect spine is such an issue, wouldn't aluminums still be the way to go? They offer more spine choices than most carbons do. With carbons you just sort of have to pick one that is close. Am I wrong on that? And the arrows I was shooting that were spined to 100 lbs were arrow dynamics nitro stingers. They are a bit different from the avarage carbon, maybe that had something to do with it. And they were actually a bit faster than other arrows I tried that were of the same weight.

And to me aluminums are easier to work with if I want to play. I don't have a shop with all the cool tools. I can cut aluminums with a tubing cutter and assemble them with hot melt glue. And if I want to change something I can take them apart over my stove. I just took 3 of my 1816's and cut them down 2 1/2 inches to try with my new bow. I couldn't have done that with my carbons. I don't own an arrow saw, and don't really want to get one. It doesn't really matter with fletching them, it works out the same either way for the most part. Other than you need to be a bit more careful removing the old fletching from carbons.

Like I said, I have shot both, of several different brands. I never reallly had any trouble with any of them myself. Aluminums just tend to be a bit cheaper and more convenient for me is all. And I have yet to bend or mess up an aluminum arrow. I have ruined a few of course, but had it been a carbon it would have been destroyed just the same. Carbons are tougher, especially if you glance them off something or your target falls over with arrows in them.

And you don't need to send me any arrows for free just to prove your point. That's a generous offer and I thank you for it, but I understand what you are saying quite well. Besides I may go with beemans if I get carbons this time around. And I have a cabela's not more than thirty miles from me. If I am correct some of thier arrows are made by blackhawk as well.

Paul

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After re-reading some of my posts I want to clarify something. When I say get a stiff carbon, I mean like get one the next step up from what they suggest. Like if you shot 70 lbs at 29 inches and it says to use 55/75 gold tips or something, go to the next size up arrow. I'm not saying if you shoot 50 lbs and 25 inches of draw to get 75/95's. That would be a bit extreme, it would be a good way to add weight to your arrows if you wanted though. You might have trouble tuning your broad heads however. You would be able to get them to group well I think, but I doubt you would get them to impact with your field points.

Tony, I replied to your E-mial. I hope you don't take any of this personal, I don't. It's just a discussion. I would be happy to talk in person with you at work. I'm sure I will end up at Cabela's for something in the near future.

Paul

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i shoot all of them but my main shafts for hunting are either carbon or wood depending whether i am hunting with my compounds or my traditional bows. they all have their purpose but i prefer for compound using hte carbons ooverall and may try them for traditional as well this year
rob k

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This year i am gonna hunt with the new Easton ST Axis 340 tipped with a Muzzy 100 grain 3 blade . i have hunted with Gold Tip's & A/C/C & Beman Hunter's in the past and had good results with them all on the deer here in NC due the small size of the deer . But i started bowhunting in Ohio and there the deer a lot bigger and i want the extra knock down with a heavier shaft . I am getting really good flight and penatration with the axis arrows . the charts suggested i shoot the 400 shafts but i went the 340 due to it being heavier and i was looking for that extra knock down. Give the carbon's a try I think you will be really happy ya did .

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Crazy year for me. I broke down and bought some ACC's, and just for a kick I picked up some Easton Maxum Deuce 2213's, knowing good and well I was gonna shoot the ACC's. The ACC's will see no more daylight this year. My set up is complete, with the 2213's in the starting line-up.

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CX300's...the straiter the better!

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I have shot both but in my opinion aluminum works better for me than carbon.

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cxl 250's for 3d shoots and gold tip pro hunters 55/75 for hunting.i did shoot aluminum for a long time,but i realized i could get away with a little misjudged distance with a lighter arrow. however i feel a heavy aluminum is a tried and true deliverer,especially on elk sized animals.

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PSE 300 carbons camo finish

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i shoot aluminum. xx75 2213 easton to be exact... considered changing over to carbons a few times but i always end up thinking, if it aint broke dont fix it. no need to change what has worked just fine.