I was about to make the step and get these but I notcie several of our prominent members (PA and CBM, noteably) have talked of abandoning them......Why?

Anyone having trouble with these? I'm shooting GT Big Game 100+ right now that I'm happy with so should I even consider switching??????

What's the deal? I thought these arrows were sent to us straight from God?

Well ......I like them......but true be told.......I'm losing confidence in them all the time !

I fletched 6 to start with and got excellent groups ......but after a couple of months they opened up......still good by most standards ....but not for me ! Fletched my other 6 and was busting nocks again !

Read a thread by JeffB regarding their spine degredation and straightness issues...........and read Len's comment about the straightness issue also ! Started making me wonder if any of that affected my original 6 arrows ?? !!

Started doing some broadhead testing a little more seriously !! Getting great bh flight out of the straight ones........problem is ........about 8 of my 12 have a slight wobble on the tip end ! Some worse than others......but none will group with the 4 straight ones !!

Just kind of getting fed up with the whole carbon arrow thing...........I am seriously considering going to XX78 aluminums after my mule deer hunt in Sept. ..........for whitetails I'll keep my shots under 40 yrds and any speed loss I'm not worried about........I can judge yardage good enough that dropping to 260's will not really affect my POI !!

That's my .02 $ !!


But you have to consider how I am too !!!! Just replaced my string and cables .........getting it re-tuned ! Been shooting this week mostly at 40 yrds and practically every group measures 2 3/4 " !! A lot of people would love that..........it's been pissing me off ! Typically .....65-70% of my groups would be tighter !!

When I aim at a hair.......I want to hit the hair......not the general area !

I bauked when I saw they "start out only .005" straight"[:-][:-]

Not for me - Big step backwards IMO. I see a big difference in my BH flight and groups when using .001 arrows.

Why a new arrow at .005" would be a step forward..................you got me

Hit insert or not - they are a miss

I cannot say whether the spine has degraded as I never tested them back in Mid-December when I bought them.

However nearly all of mine have developed minor to major point or nock end wobble as do all Easton C2 construction shafts over time ( I had hoped the thicker walls of the ST AXIS would eliminate this problem). IMO, they are not straight enough now for anything but good flight w/ field points or small mechs, my Razorback groups opened up considerably since the first time I shot them. I gave up on them. I have neither the time nor inclination to spend an hour sorting through dozens to get straight ones only to have them develop problems soon thereafter.

Lately I have been testing dozens & dozens of brand new unshot shafts/pre-fletched arrows (from GoldTip, Easton/Beman, CX & PSE) because we got a new toy at the shop, and spine tolerance is "pretty good" across the board on the ST AXIS when new. A few clunkers here and there but not too many.

Rack: The .005 tolerance is the max spec on a per inch basis (.010 TIR). All of the new ones I have tested have fallen under this spec, some don't even make the needle wiggle. However like GoldTip or CX or anyone else's mid grade-shafting the arrows often have serious runout at one or both ends where the straightener is not "reading". This is how the manufacturers "get you".

Found the post I was thinking of.....you said degredation of straightness..........I remembered it as spine ...which was wrong ......anyway ....sorry for putting out the wrong info. !!

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Thanks Jeff,

I hear you on the runoff. I have been testing all my arrows in stock this past week also. Must be an Easton thing because my Bemans had the worst runoff of almost all my shafts. I do notice that all shafts with specs of .003 or worse have more run out that any makes shaft with a .001 rating. I still think having that .001 within 28” is the best starting point and results in a straighter overall shaft – even at the ends.

My Parker SuperCarbons rolled better than all my other shafts – thus my post in the equipment forum that NOBODY responded to . They seem like decent quality shaft.

Question – What process of manufacturing is causing the end runoff? I assume the shafts are cut from a longer blank. If so why are the ends out? It doesn’t make sense that a long blank would be straight for 28” then runoff, then straight for 28”, then runoff. What am I missing.

P.S. can you send me some GT info, or a contact name and number?

In talking to some of the manufacturers of carbon arrows, they EXPECT you to cut from 1-1 1/2" off each end. Let's see, if I start with a 32" blank and cut 1 1/2" off each end, that leaves me with a 29" blank arrow. Sorry, to those of you who want/have to shoot 30+" arrows.[]

Then you've got to consider that some actually have to be cut more than 1 1/2" from each end. Those are the less expensive models. I've been told, "If the customer wants a better arrow, they'll have to pay more money". Sometimes, however, we're dupped when we do spend more money and don't get what we thought we paid for. Can you say "Catch 22"?

Dammit.. and I was just getting ready to order some of these for hunting season. I really appreciate threads like this... keeping me from wasting $$$ on inferior products.

I was going to give those shafts atleast one season to the general public,BEFORE I spend any $$ on them.
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