<UPDATE> Hybrid cams=winds of change blowing
 

Maybe some of you remember the thread I posted about the hybrid cams?
Well I thought I would give you all an update on the latest...
I finally got ane of these "hybrid"cam bows! I decided on the DARTON Magnum Extreme.
70# x 28 1/2" draw + 373gr arrows = 282fps For me this thing is a hand held rocket launcher! Just bought my first multi-pin sight and may just switch back to the single pin as right now I don't have enough gap to need a multi-pin sight. We'll wait and see on that one though.
I have only had it a few hours and like it much better than the Mathews I got rid of.
It has a solid wall, and a really nice valley. The Mathews has neither. While sighting in, I was already busting nocks and tearing vanes. IMO the Darton @ 70# draws smoother than the Mathews @ 60#
I spent a couple of hours down with Len @ Macrotech and we fiddled around w/ the bow getting on the accessories and of course, working on shooting form.
This guy is a man after my own heart...he fully understands how 1/1000th of an inch can make a difference and that it is important. (There is a joke there but I will leave that for someone else.)
Seriously though, if you live even close to the area, do yourself a favor and drop in and see him. Definitely one of the good guys!
Guess I'll be pulling the Mathews stickers off the ol' bow case.
Now to put it to the test on some of that spring deer hunting that needs to be done. I can't wait!:D

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Just be glad you didnt put that Mathews sticker on your vehicle. ;) Congrats on the new bow.

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Thanks Josh,
I have to say that Len really got me started questioning my blind acceptence of my Mathews, but when I read all the things folks were saying about these hybrid cam systems, both here and else where, I decided to really give them a stronger look with open eyes.
A big Thank you to everyone who participated in that post as you may be partly responsible for my new bow![:o];):D

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Yeh, MARK... I love my Darton. I don't like the shorties so have the Maverick Recurve. As far as Len... well... he's my guy too. If I'd known you were making the trip I'd tried to pay you a visit. Although, I did have to work today. Enjoy.

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Congrats on the new Darton, been wanting to try one out myself. My hand is almost healed enough to start pulling the bow again and their is a Darton dealer nearby. Just the feel of the grip is enough to make me interested. Glad you were able to have such a great shop such as Len's to help.

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Len also helped me to "see the truth" in so much as to at least give the CPS system a try. I was not brand loyal but never consider Dartons silly little cam. Then I read about the benifits, followed some advice and drive 3 hours to my nearest stocking dealer. I left with a Rampage and couldn't be happier! Not only do you get a smooth fast bow, you get one that fits just right. I know they are not for everyone, but I encourage those intrested in buying a new bow to at least give them a try before buying something else. Of course it didn't hurt that you had Len helping you out!:D

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Congratulations on the new bow. Len is definitely a man to talk to when it comes to bows and archery equipment. I spent a little over an hour with him one time and it felt like 5 minutes. ;)

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I want a "LEN" in WI.:( Really, does anyone know who would be a great guy to go to in southern WI. I live NEAR Madison.[:o]
I DO NOT LIVE IN MADISON. Madison is like 40 square miles of LIBERAL $HIT surrounded by reality.[:@]

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Congrat.

I also shoot Darton, Tundra Extreme for me. Just got it a few weeks back. The dealer that I got it from set up up wrong (cam positions), and I had a problem with the bow "kicking", after I found the problem and fixed it it shot real nice.

Best of luck with it.

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way to go mark! another one has seen the light.
like davidmil, i am shooting the maverick extreme, and love it!
i am getting tremendous speed even with my short DL of 27.5.
its a tack driver out to 60 yards too!

quiet, accurate, and speedy. what more could i ask for, except a handfull of those crop damage permits that uour getting!

enjoy it buddy.

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For me, this whole experience has taught me that the company that yells the loudest isn't always the best.
I thought that when I got the bow up over the 260fps mark that it was going to be really freakin' loud. At this point I don't even have any string leeches on it and I am not sure if I need them. Len has a decible meter at his shop to check noise. A Bowtech and the Darton both shot 82db. Len told me his personal Darton with SVL all over it only had a reduction to 79db. My feeling is that 3db is imperceptable and not worth the price of the product or the reduction in speed.
Your thoughts?

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I would say that if you were only look to reduce noise, then it would be worth much to add the SVL's. But the SVL will also reduce harmful vibrations. And you will find the bolts may not loosen up as easy.

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Knowing Len I think I may already have the answer but were the two Dartons being compared the same model with the same setup? Did the Bowtech have the same setup installed? Are we comparing all of the bows with and without the Sims gear installed? If so then was the noise reduction still only 3 db?

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PA, good questions. Not sure of the answer. The Bowtech is the property of another person that works in the shop. I could make some assumptions, but that would not be fair.

BobCo19-65, my Darton has Limbsavers on the limbs and the same material installed into the riser, just nothing on the string.

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If I recall correctly, when I was at Len's shop I had the pleasure to inspect Len's personal bow of choice. It had about 10 lbs worth of accessories on it including a bow-mounted range finder. All those extra's could account for the fact that there was only a 3 db drop in noise.

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Yea, Len does have some stuff on his bow, but what destroys me is the fact that he shoots a left handed bow right handed and can shoot just about any bow with either hand...accurately!