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I have seen several post on how well each guy shoots his bow. This brings up some questions. I have seen several post on group sizes of 2-3" at 50 yards[:-]????????? NOW......I find it hard to believe that people are shooting CONSISTANT groups of that size at 40 and 50 yards. I know we all can have those tight groups sometimes, but to say you shoot those kind of groups you have to do it time in and time out.

Before the flaming begins on me let me say this.......I shoot with some guys that are consistantly nationally ranked in the top of 3D archery. I have ask them about these size groups and all they can do is laugh at the size groups I state some guys shoot ;)

LET THE BASHING BEGIN:D

citori

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I have had my doubts sometimes, but I generally take peoples word for it. I mean if they don't shoot that great oh well and it is definately possible. Personally I just started shooting longer range (over 40yrds), so I am not positive of my groups.

:)

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Until you can prove otherwise, you'll just have to accept the fact, there are people out there who shoot better than you. [:o]
Do you think theres not a few here who could manage a 3" group @ 50 yards on a regular basis? Good thing you don't post over @ A.T.;)
Name some names, or I won't believe you!;)

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I personally feel that there are too many variables for the average or even better than average archer to shoot consistantly small groups at 50 or even 40 yards. I personally seem to have days when I can shoot good out to 50 and days that i am doing good to be consistant at 25. But I will say that there are some awesome shooters out there with amazing talent.

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I've never made the claim. I'm lucky if I can find my arrow after a 50 yard shot. [:'(] This is why you'll never hear of me shooting an animal beyond 30 yards.:)

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When I was competing in field archery, Bowhunter Freestyle Limited (pin sights, fingers release, 12" max stabilizer length), I could consistently beat "archer's minute of angle" (1" per each 10 yards of distance) size groups, even on the long targets. I'd get quite a few of those teenie little groups on good days, but not consistently from one day to the next.

Shooting Competitive Bowhunter class (same as BHFSL, but without sights) my usual groups were just over archer's minute of angle. With sights, my 60 yard groups averaged just under 5". Without sights, my average 60 yard groups grew to 7". I've got a good gap system.;)

On the other hand, even though I won my share of tournaments, I regularly got my butt beat.[:-] There are some guys out there that can flat smoke your buns on the target course!

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Nub,

I will not put the guys names on the net whom I am referring to.......I would not want to get them personally involved in this. BUT.......suffice it to say that their names appear a LOT on the IBO home page under the results!!!!!!! I shoot with one of them a couple times a week, and the other at all our club 3D shoots.

I figured this would turn into an argument with some guys. I dont really understand this mentality of "your just mad because you cant do it". There probably is a somebody somewhere who is able to constitantly do these types of groups..........maybe.......or not....:D I dont want to fight about it because I CANNOT do it myself....that was never the issue. I never named anyone and said they could not do it. I just find it curious that I see those types of claims so often.

citori

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Nathan; Not trying to argue with you either. This is the internet. Only the poster and possibly their friends know for sure. I had to double check your profile to make sure your last name wasn't Brooks. Better check mine, perhaps I'm some professional posting as nub!

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I have my days when I can shoot those arrow stacking 40 yard groups, in fact I shot a quarter sized 3 arrow group the other day at 40..tickled me pink :)

And I have my days when my TP kicks in and I'm lucky if I can get 6" groups[:'(]

If I can do the MOA Arthur talked about at 30 yards plus, I don't get too pee'd at myself, but I always strive for those quarter sized groups. I don't want to become complacent with my (lack of) shooting ability!

I know guys who can shoot 3-4" groups at 60 consistently....

they make me sick [:@];)

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Nub

If I knew how to check your profile I would.....not real computer orientated:)

I am pretty new in the 3D world. I am trying to take in all I can about it. I do not mean to come across as A*&hole or anything. Sometimes it is hard to talk on the net and show emotion and sarcasm. This makes it hard to tell in what light people are talking.

It is kinda like rifle shooting......everyone has a 1/4" rifle. Then they have a postal match and the average winning group size is @ 1/2-3/4". :eek:

I keep hearing about it and nobody can show me it in reality.....:)

citori

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I have no doubt that there are some folks who can put together some ridiculous groups at 40-50 yards. I occasionally shoot with semi-pro 3D shooters as well and they simply amaze me at what they are capable of achieving.

Myself? I am not the shooter that most folks are. If I can get 7 or 8 inch groups at 50 yards then I am happy. JeffB tells me it is because I shoot too short of a bow.....:D

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Citori,i know exactily what your saying.I to see posts on here showing 40,50,60 yard groups with the arrows touching each other.Now there are probably very few shooters on this forum that can do this consistantly,but if you will notice,alot of these fine people will make a very tight group at 40 yards and be very proud of themselves,admittenly stating that this was a good day,and just wants to show their group off.I dont think anyone here ever said that they can make these groups at 60 yards on a regular bases"At least i never noticed ":)

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I have been shooting for almost 20 years and still cant get that type of group at 40 to 50 yds, but at 20 and 30 look out. I never take a shot over 30 and 90% of all my harvests were under 25yds.

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With the amount of people on the internet, I have no doubts that there are a bunch of people who can shoot archery MOA or better, out to 100 yards, and some of them are floating around this and other boards. However......

Keep in mind, that Atlantic City is coming up, one of the biggest target shoots around. It is shot INDOORS so no wind, consistent lighting etc, the "10" ring is roughly 4-5 inches and is shot out to 60M. This puts it INSIDE a MOA shooting (60M is roughly 66 yards). Nobody has ever shot both days clean, I think a clean 1 day has been done 3-4 times. This is the top target shooters in the country/world.

I am also sure that most here, myself included, can and do shoot 3-4 inch groups at 50+ yards, ON OCCASSION. Heck I just stacked 4 arrows at 50 all close to touching, I was so proud of myself I took a picture of it!! Can I do that often, heck NO. But it sure if fun bragging about it!

One way to shoot tighter groups, at least for me, is to aim at a smaller dot.

--Bob

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PABowhnter said it. A lot has to do with the kind of bow you shoot. I'm sure if he got himself a ProTec with LXPro limbs, he'd shrink his 50 yard groups in half, immediately. Long, deflexed riser bows are simply more stable than short, reflexed riser bows. Less letoff helps too. Sure, you get slower arrow speeds with the higher brace heights, but they are far easier to shoot accurately at longer ranges. And when you have known distances...;)

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I guess it's all relative to what you or I think consistant is !!

If I'm shooting 2-3" groups at 50 yrds 80-90 % of the time for several weeks or more..........I consider that "consistant" at the time !


There are plenty of folks that can shoot good........I shoot better than anyone I shoot with.........but I get my arse kicked at 3D shoots and Spots ! But I always shoot my hunting rig........and always post good scores IMO .........just not tops !

If your " pro buddies" laugh at what you tell them..........it makes no difference.........there's still a lot of guys here doing it !! If you can't do it and are happy... fine..........if you want to be able to do it ......keep practicing......it can and will come if you put the effort into it ! Life's too short to be worrying about all that kind of stuff to me !!!! ;)

Good Luck !!

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How many arrows make a group? If it is three and you shoot 4 can you call one a flyer?

I don't see what the big deal is and why someone would laugh about tight groups. I put my arrows pretty close together myself and I know I don't shoot as much as alot of people. Just because someone isn't a pro doesn't mean they can't shoot like one. I don't shoot a great deal at 50, but when I do I can put 2 arrows nearly touching consistantly. With my new bow I have to be careful not the destroy my arrows inside of 40. Now that is fun. Good shooting everyone.

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Dabingaboom - you guys don't have cr[:-]p

Should be ashamed of it all - 3", 4" groups:eek::eek::eek:.......shotgun patterns.......weak

You want a spanking - I will shot the sh[:o]t out of the lot of ya

Arthur - no sights, no this, no that ----------------------- No Game:(

Bring it on - I will strip it down - I gotta keep my dropaway on......... but............I will put a flipper in my pocket......just to make it even:)...may even stick a tab in my sock if I feel good.

I can stick em boys.........stick em D[:o]mn tight.

I can't shoot more than one arrow a day - don't matter how many spots are up - ole Robin hood is coming. They got fear them arrows fear.............How bout you......


Skirts;)

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R-A, BRING IT! (he says as he's pawing the ground like an enraged bull) Loser buys the refreshments! Bring lotsa money 'cuz I get plumb thirsty when I shoot.[8D]

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How bout you 2 meet half way, say WI.:D I'll furnish all the refreshments.[8D] I get to shoot too tho. Fixed blade broadheads on all our arras.[:o]

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Count me in on that, I can shoot bullseye after bullseye after about 2 6packs.

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You think that scares me.......Fixed heads:eek::eek:........Pleeeeaaaaaasssseeeeee

When you shoot em like me it don't matter

Fixed, Mechanical, field, judo......screw a D[:o]mn tomato on a stick and I'll wack you all.

Don't make me pull out my group pictures again:D...................

I am surprised you found big enough B[:-]lls to even step into this ring.........[:o]

Its like kindergarten around here............No one knows how to keep it inside the lines.....inside out baby.............All I see is slop:)

;)

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Aren't we full of ourself today. Or something.[:o] How bout Gobbler Guiliteens(sp?) @ 60 yards!:D

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you know what they say, "the guys that talk about it don't got it." And yes I would really enjoy watching you shoot with a tomato on the end of your arrow, well heck if you're that good put a bowling ball on the end.

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Some guys have the cash, some guys have the talent. Top 3D shooters have both. People who cannot hit a bull in the a$$ with a base fiddle have neither.

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Naw 100 yds. Lets make it a challenge;)

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I shot a lot of competition, same BHFS-L class as ArthurP, and I've seen some amazing shooters out there. I couldn't do it all the time, but many times on the indoor range, put all five arrows in the x-ring. There were some shooters that did it a lot more regularly than me. Especially with releases, scopes, 10 yard long stabilizers, etc. And some of the top field (notice I didn't say 3-D) archers can easily shoot 3" groups out to 40-50 yards. Hell, I won a novelty shoot one time shooting 10 eggs in a row. They were dangling by a string at 40 yards.

So it's definately possible.

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Arthur, I liked your post about the Field and Hunter rounds. I, too, could do the things you talked about. AH, the good ole days!! Man, that was back in the 70's before all this technology went to people's heads. Hey, what's the size of the bullseye on a 24" Hunter face? I used to get PO'd enough I'd throw the bow down through the woods if I missed one out of ten at 60 yards. I'd have loved to have some of the modern equipment back then. Deflex risers, 48" and 50" bows--and that was considered short.

Bowhunter release wasn't even a thought yet. We weren't even allowed a peep. Some of these guys need to try shooting a good field or hunter round. Try some practice arrows, then a 112 arrow course, and see if you can finish it. Accuracy and forgiveness is everything. Speed means almost nothing. This sure ain't 3D where you shoot one arrow and done.

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Brings up a good point! Big difference between the top spot shooters and 3d shooters. I've seen guys that could consistantly stack arrows at 60 yds get beat by your slightly above average 3d shooters because they couldn't judge yardage worth a damn.

I strive for the 1" per ten yard increment groups , but beyond 30 it has to be a good day! Before I have a few cups of coffee!;)

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BOWFANATIC, AH yes, let's not forget the coffee. Opens up the groups a bit. Like going from a varmint rifle to a shotgun. Of course, age has much the same effect, what with the eyes going to pot.

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BG, here's the bow I wish I'd had when I was shooting NFAA: Barnsdale Ultimate X. One of our club members just got one and had it at the range last night. It's a killer!

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