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I have an archery qualification test/3-D course in a couple of weeks to be allegable to hunt on a wildlife refuge. I have to have an 80% out of 130% to pass. The farthest target is 33 yards and the closest is 20. Right now Im shooting a Hoyt Razortec with a whisker biscuit, and eastman epic carbon arrows. In the test heart shots are 10, lungs are 8, and a hit is 5 points. I have no problem hitting a lung size target up to 30 yards, but I cant consistently hit the heart. I would like to know if a fall away rest would improve my pattern, but I only have two weeks and dont know if that is enough time for a new rest. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks...

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If it were me, I would not go changing your gear on short notice. This will only complicate things. The WB is quite capable of doing what you need it to. My suggestion would be to practice, practice, practice. Good Luck!

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I'd spend the next 4 days shooting 100 arrows at a crack from 60 yards.

Focus, Focus, Focus.

4 days - 400 arrows - all at 60 yards, still trying to hit the heart.

Then move up to 30 & see if it doesn't feel like a 2' putt.

All summer long I shoot an outdoor league & practce at ranges consistantly over 60 yards - it makes the 40 easy, and the 20 a cinch.

All of this being said - I've only ever taken ONE animal past 22 yards...

Good luck & remember - focus & concentrate!

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Get rid of your wisker biscuit and go simple. Play with it if you want later.

I can't use a drop away on my bow. The wisker biscuit was nice to hold the arrow in place no matter what but I never could get the darn thing adjusted to dead balls on. I changed it out and went to a 3d rover and it is now shooting dead balls on. I gave my biscuit away for free to someone on this site.

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I agree with huntmup, once you get used to the long shots the short ones feel like you're right on top of your target. I also agree that you don't need to change equipment on such short notice. However, I wouldn't recommend a helical or offset fletch through a whisker biscuit, they tend to spray the shots a little.

Just my (most humble) opinion.

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If I am understanding this corectly there are 13 targets with a maximum of ten points each for 130 points? If this is the case I wouldn't sweat it one bit. Even if you only scored lung hits and no heart hits on every shot that is still 104 points. Any how, the double lunger is a more effective hit than a heart shot.

I too wouldn't go changing any of my set up right now. Use what you are going to hunt with and not a bunch of stuff that you're going to change. Also take huntmup's advice and practice at longer distances than the 33 yards that you have to test.

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I too would change nothing . . . and while practice would be helpful remember the old cliche . . . Only Perfect Practice makes Perfect. The moral is that you need to practice a lot but stop when you're tired lest you practice bad habits. [:@]

I did once and it took weeks to correct the problem.

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You decide wether your shot is on. I could never get my shot consistent with the biscuit but I have had no problem with the traditional rest ten mins after changing. I will never try it again. There are a lot of people here who swear by it and I changed on recommendation. It didn't work for me and I don't hear you mentioning anything else in your set up that is any different then most bows and arrows.

I do whole hardily support practice but it won't change if the rest dosen't allow for consistentcy.

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FM , I get sick of your continous WB posts !! [:'(] Maybe you couldn't tune it.......doesn't mean the rest of us can't !! I can average 4-5" groups at 65 yrds all day long with a WB on a 31.5" ATA bow with a 3" stabilizer ! ;)

HoytRazortec , Keep what you got.......I just shot a 3D course just fine with a WB !!And I agree ......as long as your hitting lungs ......you should be good !

Are you having trouble missing the heart/10 shots ....with high and low shots or are they right and left shots ? Or are they all over ?

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CBM SC I guess you swear by it. I stated if you read my post that some people do. Obviously your one! There are others that don't and found that consistency wasn't there as I did. I also remember a great qoute from another poster "Shooting an arrow through a broom?".

I will keep up my negative comments on the wisker biscuit thank you very much.

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Have you bare tuned your shafts ? What I'm asking is, do you get awesome arrow flight ? If you do, then a different rest probably aint going to make a lot of difference IMO.

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"WB" and precise accuracy out to 33 yards? Try again next year. :D

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Stay with the rest your familiar with changing now wouldn't benefit you in time for your corse test . Any new gear takes time to familiarize yourself with.Hunt mup is right you just need to practice lot's and focus with no distraction's . Also make sure your arrow's are tuned correctly .good luck

nubo

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hoytrazortec and c903 think you may find this link informative , The WB is a great rest and supurb accuracy can be obtained with it .

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...threadid=34132

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Yeh C903.......for those of us that know you.....we all know that you put one on your old bow and tuned it ........aand then shot with it.......and couldn't get good accuracy with it .......right ???

If so I must have missed that thread somewhere ......where you actually tried one !! ;)

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"When used with the little foamy arrow holder that comes with the Drop Zones the CJ Bobcat and Alleycat are damn good drop aways. They should come with an arrow holder like the Naps and Drop Zones do.

"My Bobcat has been stone cold reliable on my Newberry, and when I couldn't get my Drop Zone to work to satisfaction I put it on my Protec. I absolutely love the rest and I've had ZERO problems with arrows falling off of it in in multiple 3D shoots and long sessions of practice. I will not have any reservations about taking it into the field this season."

"I used to shoot a WB, and that will be on my backup bow."

AKDOUG
ArcheryTalk.com
March 30, 2004 (Approx 6 months later)

http://216.7.172.165/vb/showthread.p...threadid=72486

Do you suppose that the "WB" was too difficult to keep tuned and accuracy was inconsistent? What changed? Maybe he now considers the "WB" to be a "get by" for the average shooter but his skill requires more. ;)

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CBM SC:

One phase of evaluation or comparative evalutaion is analytical (logical) evaluation of design and proposed performance (usability or potential usability of a product) compared with known criterion.

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C.......I think your reading a lot into the post buddy ! Maybe he's just become a CJ staff shooter ! ;)

As for your "one phase of evaluation " .........my question is.......when are you going to get around to the other phases .........like actually trying one ?? [:o][:-]:D

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So lets get this straight if you haven't tried it you can't knock it. If you have and don't like it, your still wrong.

I did for a month and it sucked plain and simple. Your response to me was that I must not know how to tune my bow. Well I guess not but it is shooting consistently now with my 3D rover after ten mins of putting it on.

The only reason I bought it was on reccomendation from a buisness associate and I didn't like the rest that was sent with the bow. So far the only advantage to it, and I admit it did it well, was that the arrow won't fall off.

I don't know about you, but I never had a problem with arrows falling off my rest. Is there another advantage that I'm missing?

hoytrazortec don't be afraid to change if you can't get the WB to shoot consistent.

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CBM SC:

Never!

Considering the known principles regarding what is conducive (facilitates) to best arrow flight, consistent accuracy, and longevity of reliability, the "WB" has flunked my initial evaluation.

Anything can go wrong at any time with any gear regardless of manufacturer and design. I just do not want to be constantly concerned that something is likely to go wrong much sooner with a particular piece of gear then with another.

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Hoytrazortech, I never heard of a qualification being required to hunt, but I think its a great ideal. How many times have we seen wannabes at walmart days prior to hunting season? I think the course you mentioned is very fair and actually if you can't get 80% on it, you really have no need in being in the woods. Don't put so much pressure on yourself in what equiptment to qualify with but put more emphasis on what equiptment will you be hunting with. If your going to hunt with it, than put it on now and practice. I am constantly expermenting with my equiptment, but I start early too. Just because Joe Blow likes it, doesn't mean I will. Good luck, Bobby;)

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Without getting into the WB BS, unless it's seriously worn out then forget changing the rest. Concentrate on YOU and your confidence. That's where the problem lies.

The idea of the test is to assure you have a reasonable chance of making a killing shot with your hunting bow within the parameters of the test. I don't know what targets you're shooting at - McKenzie deer, perhaps? If so, use your binoculars and make sure you locate the 10 ring (if you can't see them with the naked eye). Aim for the 10 ring and execute the shot. You'll hit at least a few 10's and the 8's should be easy.

Just remember, if you hit a 5, then you've got to make 2 10's to make up for it. But if you stay loose, relaxed and confident, you won't hit any 5's.

These proficiency tests are a cakewalk for guys who regularly shoot 3D. You might consider taking up the sport.

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Yes and no.........yes I think you can form an opinion.......no I don't think you should come on to a public forum and continually post negative comments about a product that you haven't actually tried !!

Secondly.....yes I think you can try it and not like it and bash it ! But yes I think you may have had issues that you were unaware of ! Because I know for a fact that they are not that bad.........maybe not as good for you as your rover.......but still not that bad.... none the less !!

I'll give you another example ! I have owned and shot bows that maintained speeds from 290-303 fps for 7 years !! I couldn't get any of them to group FB broadheads with my field points !

I paper tuned each bow and was 100 % confident in my set up !

So should I come on here on every post about broadhead flight and say that fixed blades won't shoot with field points at speeds in the 290-303 fps range ?

Well after a lot of tuning tips ........I figured out where my short comings were.......learned completely new tuning methods.....worked it out and getting good broadhead flight now !

If you would have asked me a year ago if my bow was tuned perfectly.......with 100% confidence I would have said yes !! Was it .......obviously not !!

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HoytRazortec.......sorry for getting into all this crap on your thread ! Other posts have got me into this !!

Follow Arthur P's advice and you should be in business !!

Good luck and so long on this one !!

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Just relax and you'll do fine. If you can hit lungs on every shot you have nothing to worry about, unless you get yourself all worked up and can't concentrate. Relax it's just another day on the range.

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Contained within all the crap is information. May not seem so, but it (information) is there.

The problem is; when someone is using a particular piece of gear and having good results, or claiming so, and negatives about the gear is posted, the person using the product takes it personal. He or she is then blinded to the fact that the value of what is being said is actually intended for the person who does not yet use the product and is seeking as much input as they can find, or is using the product but not having the claimed results.

"hoytrazortec" has expressed that he is concerned about what rest he should use. It would not be very informative just to say, do or do not use a particular piece of gear without some form of clarification.

However, as others have pointed out, it is awful late in the game to change critical gear and prepare for qualification. He can always trash the "WB" at a later time. :D