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Here is a string of camo pictures. Some are crops, full size crops and some are just resizes. This woods is a lot of big mature trees where you have to hunt to find one your climber will fit. The first pictures I'm in the wad of 3 trees(two jumbo and one small) stuck together)

ASAT 60 yards

ASAT Cropped full size

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Len in Mossy Oak at about 40 yards

First one is full sized cropped
Second is resized smaller with a solid tree for background




ASAT at 30 with some emerging greenery around...LOOKS BRIGHT


Apparition(and older fading set)

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The one in the greenery is the one that caught my attention. The ones in the tree are a lot better. Then again, my eyes are old and human.:D

We'll have to find out how the deer react.

BTW, when you had those 31 deer walking around you, did any of them spook? I forgot to ask when we were in the woods.

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i think you two need your own website to compile all of this fun stuff!:eek:

wdyt? Len and David's Excellent Adventures?

be sure to include some good sausage and jerky recipees that you have used for the dozens of deer you kill year after year!
[8D]:D

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The ASAT in the green stuff really stands out. I've never seen it look so bad in a picture. It looks closer than 30 yards though. The MO definately blobs up in the pics. Good work guys!

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I was looking for some asat in the shops around my area but couldnt find none. They had
predator camo though about the same thing.

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When those first 21 deer came up the hill they were in single file and stopped broadside at 40-45 yards. They were all nervous and looking around. I was watching this one big doe up front and shifted as she looked like she was turning right to come nearere. I had to move and peak out around my tree. At the time there couldn't have been any less than half those deer looking in my direction. They stood there on that little knob for 2 or 3 minutes and never saw me and I wasn't totally still. I stretched my 20 foot haul line out and my bow off the ground getting in. The deer were slightly uphill from me. I had deer look right my way and through me but none seemed to worry about me. You know they were all wired pretty tight Len, but they seemed oblivious to me. BUT hey, become the tree Grasshopper. The top pictures is a view to the tree I was in.

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David,

Those pictures of you in the three trees are excellent. I think you blend in or break up beautifully. I think the first one with Len looks pretty good but the second is blown up so close that his outline sticks out like a sore thumb. The ASAT stands out pretty well in front of that greenery probably not so much because of the color but because there is more light patterns in the camo then there is in the background behind it. The faded apparition is the worst of the bunch in my opinion though it may look alot better 20 feet up a tree... :)

Thank you for the pics guys. They are great.

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OK,... here's the same picture of Len Zoomed out/resized.

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Thanks David. My opinion is somewhat changed then. He does still stand out but I believe it is not necessarily because of the camo pattern but rather because of the shadows created in the face, waist and boot areas. This is where, I believe, those leafy and guillie suits really shine. I just picked up a leafy outfit in Advantage Timber. If I have the time on Saturday I will see if I can take some similar photos.

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Well the pic's are good !I like the first 2 it's a perfect hiding spot and you can still see anything approaching from most direction's. I'm not one for setting up on ground since I beleive that movement attract's attention more than bad camo.When your in the tree most animal's pay more attention to ground level unless your moving alot in the tree.

nubo

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Looks good Dave. I love that ASSAT. Maybe try using some black & white film next time to get a little better perspective. The one picture of the ASSAt that looks bright would probally breakup very nicely in a deers eye
under black and white.

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Follow this link for some black and white comparison shots. Scroll half way down the page for the pics...

http://167.206.135.118/cgi-bin/ultim...c&f=2&t=006125

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Keep in mind that the camo is hanging in White Pine greenery in the B&W shots in the above link. ASAT is incredible the way it blends compared to other camos, especially through a deers eyes!

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Am I the only one that, after seeing these pictures, doesn't feel compelled to rush right out and pruchase some? Honestly it doesn't seem to work as weel as everyone has said... JMO

It seems like the colors in the trees contrast too much. Everyone always talks about other camoflauge looking like a blob when you're in a tree, ASAT looks like it's doing the same thing...

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I think it looks excellent up in the tree. It looks as though there is a hole through the tree that has the sky and branches in it.

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As I said earlier, I think the tree shots look great (though I give some credit to the leafy style of the suit as well as the camo) to me. The ground shot does not look as good simply because I believe the background does not have as many light/dark contrasts as the suit does in this case.

I do not totally agree with the "black/white" vision that some folks are saying a deer views the world. The last I read they were also able to interpret some colors as well.

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I have read on many occasions they see shades of blue and yellow. Whether or not they interpret the colors as blue and yellow as we do, I do not know. They also see ultraviolet as well.

I also think the tree stand shots look excellent especially for not being the 3-D suit.:)

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Deer do not see in black and white and for those of you interested in learning more I have attached a link. It is just too much to post and I do not type that well.
The subject in the study is dogs but if you read the articles it clearly states that dogs and other mammels (non-predatory) have the same vision. Enjoy.
http://www.mcw.edu/cellbio/colorvisi...roduction.html

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Maybe I am wrong but I thought he was wearing the 3D leafy suit.

David?

mlaubner,

Thanks for the link. I will go check it out.

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PA

I believe you are right. I may have been mistaken:)

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To me....the the ASAT doesn't look so good in those pics...not any better than any other camo would in the same spot. I have seen some other comparisons where ASAT looked much better. Maybe it's just the pics....or maybe it was just the other pics. ?? Maybe it's me??

Heck I don't know. About the only thing I'm sure of is that I'm not a deer, so I really have no idea what they would see.

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He is wearing the 3D Leafy suit in the pictures. I just bought one several months ago myself.

Shadowace...I agree, the shots in the tree look just like a gap in the tree with filtered light through branches. Predator camo has the same effect. The others to me are just too dark whether looking at them in color or B&W.

Buckeye...I've read pretty much the same thing in that blues and yellow are the limit of a deers color vision with all other colors represented in shades of white, gray and black. This same report said never hunt in blue jeans for that very reason...it's the one true color that deer see best. I also think that deer can be spooked by the UV brightners that some detergents have in them which would make the article of clothing jump out to them.

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OK... I have this new photo editing program that changes a picture to Black and white at the click of a button. Here's the SAME ASAT that was against the green in B & W.

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To me the colors still contrast to much...

I'd like to see pictures of the Natural Gear Camo up against some ASAT, if anyone has them.

I like the looks of the Natural Gear because it isn't as much of an abrupt change in color. It sort of blends one color into the next, the 'soft edge look' I think is what they're calling it.

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I don't have any Natgear.... and I don't expect to be buying any. I've seen it on people and there's not ENOUGH contrast. I still think the Apparition Green is the greatest in green time and Advantage on the fall or winter forest floor.

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Asat , Nat Gear , Scent Lok , Scent Shield , Mossy Oak , Advantage , blah blah blah!:D

I was duped into spending a fortune on Scent Lok technology[:'(]

I'm done spending a fortune on fancy camo! I'll take whatever's on sale at wally world and spend the extra cash on trying to eliminate and/or cover my scent.

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Scent Lok didn't do that?

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The B&W defiantely makes it look better. It cuts down on the outline problem more, but it still doesn't look that good. This is by far the worst test photo I've see of ASAT. I can't figure out what the problem would be.

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The problem would be

1. This is not a TEST photo. It's an actual untouched photo in the woods.

You know, like the "Truth Series" of videos. This un-doctored, fair chase picture taking. What you see is what you get. We showed it to you in a tree, on the ground etc. You make the choice.

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If this stands out so much in these pics then why are all these people reporting the so called "look through" while deer hunting?

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Because humans can see in 3d and the full color spectrum.

Deer dont.

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Agreed.

Let me tell you guys, this stuff works!!! I'm not sure how much better it works than any other camo, but I had some very interesting results this year wearing my suit. I do however think that ASAT can me out of its element, ie hunting against very green or dark backgrounds tends to make it stand out, but from a tree stand once the leaves have turned, it can't be beat.

Let me relate a few of my experiences from this season:

Opening day, hunting a persimmon tree. I'm about 15ft off the ground in a big oak with no cover in front or behind, just the tree. I have a 3 1/2 8pt feeding on persimmons at less than 15 yds for over 20 minutes!!! He stares me down several times, but never spooks as he looked right through me.

A few weeks later, hunting persimmons again, the only tree around is a small hackberry that I can only climb out 8 ft. I really wanted to hunt this persimmon tree, so I went with it. I had a spike and a doe pass by me at about 4 steps from my tree. Remember, I am only 8ft off the ground. These deer stare me down hard, and they look right through me and few minutes later I killed the doe.

Late season, I'm climbing down around 10am. I grab my gear and hit a little clearing, I stop to grab my water from my pack when I hear a deer coming. Out steps a nice little 8pt, not 12 yds away. He stares at me just standing in the wide open, looks through me and goes about his business.

This stuff works folks!!! It is not a cure all, but it definitely works.

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So it won't work that well in a stand of pines since they are green and it is dark inside the stand of them?

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Well, I can tell you that my son couldn't find me in a group of trees tonight with my ASAT on. I told him on the radio EXACTLY where I was and he walked within 20 feet of me and couldn't see me. I had to whistle at him 3 times and he just kept looking right past me. It shocked him and me that we were that close and he just couldn't focus in on me. Dave can tell you the kid has good eyes and spots deer all the time.

I just hope that it fools the eyes of the deer as well.;):D

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That blue long john potty pic immediatly jumps to mind. :D[:'(]

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This past weekend I had the pleasure to hang out with Chuck and Carl from ASAT at the 3D festival around Lancaster PA. Chuck had hung a jacket from an evergreen tree as a test. When people came to the booth to check out his product he would ask them to look for the ASAT camo in the trees. I just sat back and laughed at the amount of people who could not find it. Guys and gals were coming from the range and walking right by it. I can't say enough about what a great product it is. It has become the only camo that I will wear. Myself and mlaubner will be doing some tests in the near future and will post are results.

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It's really good to see all the excitement generated by our product, both good and bad. We know we'll never sell all hunters on ASAT® because of many reasons, but we will keep trying! I do many sportsman's shows throughout the year and meet all kinds of hunters, and it never fails to amaze me that many, what I consider better-than-average hunters, can just walk on by our booth and never give ASAT® a glance. It's almost like they're afraid to look. They'll spend literally thousands on their equipment and yet will wear what looks good in the magazines, as a result, falling prey to savvy marketing techniques and totally disregarding the scientifically sound basis for our camouflage and ignoring test photos by independent photographers, knowing their camo just doesn't do what ASAT® does.
Well anyway, we could argue forever about who's camo works best, I just wanted to say thanks for considering ASAT®, and if you ever have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me for whatever help I can be. Thanks for your time...

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Chuck could you give me a discount on the asat camo?:)