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Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
:( I put a new Muzzy Zero Effect on my Legacy yesterday and couldn't beleive when I got it home and found out that it was made almost intirely of plastic. I would have thought that for $100 you would get metal. Now don't get me wrong it seems so far to do the job but I worry about how durable it;s going to be. I guess only time will tell.
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RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
I wouldn't judge it because of what it's made from. The space shuttle is plastic and glass and tin foil etc. The thing is a dream in the woods. You'll love it when you suddenly realize you could care less where your arrow is when you draw. Put a loop on and you can draw and let down all you want without your arrow falling off or clattering. Just make sure you covered the hook and everything with moleskin. There's plastic and then there's plastic and then there's more plastics. They all are created equal. This isn't a squirt gun you bought. Your biggest problem seems to be the bow you put it on.:eek:
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Your biggest problem seems to be the bow you put it on. |
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Dave I understand what you're saying but for the price I expected more. As far as the choice of bows comment I didn't know that there was another bow company besides Mathews.:D
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Most likely, the rest is a "molded" rest made of acrylic resins or polycarbonate. I also highly doubt that the material is as strong as the "plastics" used in and on space vehicles and instruments. Plastics have a tendency to eventually malform and can break, especially when exposed for a prolonged period to extreme cold. Commercial acrylics and plastics often degrade over time.
I fully agree with you, gutshot. If I put out $100.00 for a rest, I want metal or high quality molded carbon. |
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I want to know why no one in my area will carry the thing. I'd like to check one out.
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RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Gutshot
Don't worry about what it looks like or that it has many plastic parts. That may well be the best $100 you spent. :D |
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Actually, a lot of the rest IS made out of material used on the space shuttle - Delrin. The engineer, Joe Angeloni, is a aerospace engineer for a large manufacturer.
And the only parts that are non-metal are the ones that have contact with the arrow. This keeps noise and vibration to a minimum. |
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ORIGINAL: Len in Maryland Actually, a lot of the rest IS made out of material used on the space shuttle - Delrin. The engineer, Joe Angeloni, is a aerospace engineer for a large manufacturer. And the only parts that are non-metal are the ones that have contact with the arrow. This keeps noise and vibration to a minimum. I have read this before:) |
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I know it looks funky, but it will perform as advertised. I have had them on two different bows where I have traipsed through very rugged terrain in the mountains and tree tops without a single malfunction.
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I also highly doubt that the material is as strong as the "plastics" used in and on space vehicles and instruments |
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Rack:
I also highly doubt that the material is as strong..... |
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I would have thought that for $100 you would get metal. C903 - When you tested this rest what did you think about it?? |
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I wouldn't care if I found out it was actually made from compressed racoon crap, it is the best rest I have ever used!!:D Seriously, I remember when I got my first one I was a little worried about it's appearance and the fact it was plastic. I have shot one on my last 2 bows and have one sitting here to go on my new Outback as soon as it gets here. I love this rest. And don't worry it is very durable. I have been rough on mine and have had it out in every typw of weather imaginable and it has never failed me. Just give it a chance and I bet you will love it.
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C903, I would listen to Len on this one. he does know a little about bows and the areo space industry. He ain't to pretty though:eek::D
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Do you believe that the material and the fabrication of the rest is of the same substance, composition, and quality as what is used in space vehicles and designed for use in space? With all you have to say about it I figured you had tested it and put it through its paces. It would seem foolish to put it down unless you tested it, and experienced some problems first hand. So what did you find out??;) |
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LMBO at 5 shot!
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Delrin is a trademark name.
Delrin (Acetal): "Moderate strength; relatively low cost; easy to machine; excellent for general applications where a plastic is desired." Acetal Delrin® Acetron®: "It is easier to machine than nylon and shows greater stability and moisture resistance than nylon, but is not as wear resistant." Acetals: " Acetals (DELRIN) suffer from outgassing (odor) problems at elevated temperatures, and are brittle at low temperatures.[/i] Acetal Limitations: "Acetals (DELRIN) are attacked by ultraviolet radiation, becoming brittle with long term exposure to sun light……."[/i]. All I am saying, is that I personally will not pay $100.00 for a critical component that is made of plastic. PS: Performance was not the complaint. The fact that the material is plastic was the complaint. Apparently, for those that like "drop-aways," the rest performs well. The question is: How durable will the "plastic" remain and what is the life expectancy....for $100.00? |
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Delrin® (Polyoxymethylene) Delrin is a rugged polymer that serves as an excellent choice for long-term mechanical stability for products such as fittings and threaded adapters. Product: DELRIN® Manufacturer: DuPont Material Characteristics: DELRIN is a crystalline plastic which offers excellent balance of properties that bridge the gap between metals and plastics. Delrin possesses high tensile strength, creep resistance and toughness. It also exhibits low moisture absorption. It is chemically resistant to hydrocarbons, solvents and neutral chemicals. These properties along with its fatigue endurance make Delrin ideal for many industrial applications. DELRIN offers the following qualities: Good dimensional stability Low moisture absorption Excelent Machineability High Fatigue endurance High strength and stiffness properties Superior impact and creep resistance Chemical resistance to fuels and solvents Natural grade is FDA, NSF and USDA compliant Good wear and abrasion properties Delrin® Global Product Superior Toughness and Stiffness Combined: Delrin® 100 Series Case Studies Door lock housing and components for electrical mechanisms All-in-one window guide replaces multi-part assembly New windowlift motor saves weight, works more efficiently Door opener gears deliver reliable power and savings, too Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific Reduced Wear and Friction Case Studies Transfer device for the handicapped Precision gears deliver smooth, uniform motion for high-quality printing "Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train Easier sliding and gliding with Delrin® and Zytel® Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific Low Wear Low Friction Brochure (460K) Delrin® Wear & Friction Selector (40K) UV-Resistant Delrin® Grades Case Studies Boaters adjust fender height in seconds with Fendergrip® Delrin® does it all in ventilation grilles Just step into new snowboard binding made with Delrin® Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific Toughened Delrin® Grades Case Studies Transformable Inline Roller/Iceskate uses two DuPont Engineering Polymers Easy skating or walking with Delrin® and Zytel® Greater design flexibility for new Nordica Rollerblade For stopping power and toughness, brake of Delrin® is the skate champion The stiffness of Delrin® improves the brakes of this roller skate Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific Glass Reinforced/Filled Delrin® Grades Case Studies Right balance of toughness and stiffness possible in automotive with Crastin® Boaters Adjust Fender Height in Seconds with Fendergrip® Data Sheets: Americas, Europe, Asia Pacific Gear Solutions Case Studies New windowlift motor saves weight, works more efficiently "Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement Less noise and longer life for gears in Delrin® Engineering Polymers for Gears from DuPont (926K) Conveyor Solutions Case Studies Low-friction conveyor chains smooth product handling Delrin® the backbone of success Conveyor belt Door Systems Case Studies Window guides on Peugeot Cost reduction and part integration results in metal displacement Door lock housing and components for electrical mechanisms Fuel Systems Case Studies Fuel level measuring device Office Automation Case Studies Precision gears deliver smooth, uniform motion for high-quality printing "Dynamic Duo" helps Lexmark hit quality, cost targets for gear train Buckles/Zippers Case Studies Toughness and colourability for buckles Unlimited creativity with DuPont Engineering Polymers Winter Sports Case Studies Ski boot "Optima Ultra Light" front strap and ski binding "S8" parts Just step in, push down and go Easier sliding and gliding with Delrin® and Zytel® Just step into new snowboard binding made with Delrin® Pushing the Limits: Delrin® High Performance Acetal Solutions Delrin® bridges the gap between metals and ordinary plastics with a unique combination of strength, stiffness, hardness, dimensional stability, toughness, fatigue resistance, solvent and fuel resistance, abrasion resistance, low wear and low friction. |
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Gents, The Zero Effect has gone through changes, most of them for the better, but recently Muzzy has cheapened out on this product in my humble opinion. It should NO LONGER be a $100 rest! BUT, the Plastic is NOT the problem!!
Many of the parts that were previously nicely machined and a reason for the high price, have been replaced by cheap stampings. Even the quality of the anodizing appears lower to me on the current production runs. While the Zero Effect previously had a nicely and accurately machined Axle bold made from bar stock Stainless, the ones that I have used recently have had a much lower grade of axle bolt that is swedged and have had very poorly cut (rolled) threads. We have both measured and taken photo-micrographs of these parts and are personally dissapointed by Muzzy's choice to cheapen out on the construction. I thought about sending copies of the micrographs to Muzzy, but to what end? They know that they are putting out a different grade of part. Maybe this should be a $50 rest, as it seems to no longer be built like a $100 one. While I have been a huge fan of the Zero Effect for several years, and have many bows with Zero Effects, I have switched to the Trophy Taker Shaky Hunter with Micro Adjustments on my latest bows. The Tropy Taker is a fine rest and one that the manufacturer doesn't seemed to have cheapened out on. I had always thought that Muzzy took pride in their quality, but with respect to the Zero Effect, I no longer feel that way. Be your own judge, but don't worry about the plastic. |
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I agree, to a degree with you nubbb.(make sense?) My first MZE that I paid around 100 bucks for, is better constructed than my second. But then, I only paid 65(I think) for the second. Perhaps the pro shops are keeping the price up.
Both my MZEs work great. One is around 3.5 years old. The other, 8 months or so. I really prefer the threaded turnbuckle on the original, over the newer one. By the way, was nub already taken when you registered?:D How did you come up with your user name? P.M if you prefer. |
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Maybe this should be a $50 rest, as it seems to no longer be built like a $100 one. Still, as a personal preference, I will not use any essential bow component that is made of a plastic composition, even for $50.00. Which includes sight pins, sight mounts, pin guards, etc. |
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:D
When I bought a newer snowmobile I was always worried about the plastic skies. (Newer models are comming out with plastic skies to keep the weight down and supposedly they are stronger.) Well after a curb accident and a railroad accident where both bent a hole lot of metal up front I'm now convinced plastic has many faces. The skies should've broke both times but didn't. I have the MZE and I love it! O yeah the moral of my story about crashing twice......Curbs and railroad tracks eat up Yamahas but cant touch plastic.......Don't hate plastic! |
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Mantis:
Big jump from arrow rest to snowmobile skis. ;) However, for your safety, you might check some safety recall sites. Some snowmobile manufactures are recalling a bunch of certain plastic skis because the plastic is degrading and breaking. Appears that certain color additives are not good for certain plastics and some plastic skis are are being negatively affected by UV. |
RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Nubbb and others. I posted a reply to your post on the bowsite thread and will try to duplicate most of that here. The materials used in our rest are not your ordinary "plastics" We use delrin and nylon for all the "plastic" materials on the rest. Delrin and nylon are actually bearing materials with high strength, long wearing capabilities. The material is stable to -60 degrees F and has been used and tested in extremes from - 40 to 120 degrees F. Molding and extrusion processes have been utilized by us in order to keep our manufacturing and production costs down that we have passed on to our customers. We have not experienced any substantial increase in the price of the rest since we introduced it. In fact, some of the rest models are actually lower in price. The bolts you are referring to were only a cosmetic problem and certainly not a performance or function problem. Due to the huge demand for the rest and the lead time to replace them, we utilized what we had in stock, but will no longer use that style bolt in our rests, due to their appearance. You can be assured that we will not do anything to the rest or any of our products that will degrade the performance or reliability of our products. We pride ourselves on our customer service and our money-back guarantee, of which we have not had to use very often. All of the aluminum parts are machined and are very precise, we have not changed anything with those. Any changes or modifications to our products are done to improve, we will not make any changes that will degrade the performance and durability of our products. Technical assistance is available from Muzzy and we are always glad to help anyone with any problems they maybe having. Comments and problems should be directed to us so we can be aware and handle them promptly. I am not always aware of threads that get on the internet forums, unless someone brings them to my attention. Thanks, Mark Land
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What time has told me is that the Muzzy rest doesn't fail. going on 3 years now I think, no failures yet.. Mine has worked everytime..
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All I am saying, is that I personally will not pay $100.00 for a critical component that is made of plastic. |
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Get real!:eek:
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U2:eek:[:o]
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RE: Disappointed with my Zero Effect!
Don't knock it unless you've tried it!
I've had my MZE for 2.5 years now, and put thousands of shots through it without one single problem. Right after I bought it, I went ahead and ordered a couple of extra hook arms, because I figured wear might be a problem with them being made of plastic and all. Well, I've still got those two hook arms in my equipment box, waiting on the original to wear out. Now, don't get me wrong. I do keep the hook arm covered in moleskin, which I'm sure is the main reason for the lack of wear. But, I've also snagged the hook on bushes and briars countless times, and it's always withstood the abuse. |
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