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atlasman 02-26-2004 01:52 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 

ORIGINAL: silentassassin


Read it again silent. I said to see bigger bucks you should NOT shoot the young ones. It appears you have misunderstood.
It appears that you are right[:-]:eek::D What can I say my hooked phonix teacher was hooked on crack[:'(][:@]:D


silentassassin 02-26-2004 01:56 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 

I don't know too many places out there practicing QDM that want to see come back to camp with a button strapped to the tailgate.
I am not saying that they do. That's why I spent the majority of my post pointing out the points that they do enforce.;) However, the head deer bioloigist for the state of Arkanas would disagree with you. He says an antlerless deer is and antlerless deer and they should be killed without concern as to whether they are a button or not.


This article makes a point that this very thing is in fact much more dependent on your neighbors then most people think

Not shooting your young bucks has less importance then luring wandering bucks to settle in for life.
The two are not mutually exclusive. If the you pass on the young bucks that have already dispersed to your area and give them good food and nutrition and you let them get a few more years on them, you will have bigger deer on the property. Basically, it is important to lure the young deer on your property and keep them there long enough to get some age on them.

atlasman 02-26-2004 02:02 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 

ORIGINAL: silentassassin

I am not saying that they do. That's why I spent the majority of my post pointing out the points that they do enforce.;) However, the head deer bioloigist for the state of Arkanas would disagree with you. He says an antlerless deer is and antlerless deer and they should be killed without concern as to whether they are a button or not.
How does that disagree with me???...........I didn't write the article and the article clearly states the hunter should be commended for taking an antlerless deer.

Go slow dude..........top to bottom, left to right ;) j/k

greg-dude 02-26-2004 03:34 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
For more articles similar to this one, visit qdma.com and check under articles. This article is there as well as a wealth of other ones.

holepuncher 02-26-2004 06:25 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
I read this article a while back but a shorter version, My thinking is that the does run their buck offspring away. This being natures way of preventing a inbreeding situation and keeping the deer population strong.
The article also said if you managing for horn's you should take the older does and leave the young to breed, by doing this you are ridding the herd of bad genetics.

farm hunter 02-26-2004 06:31 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
This is a great topic, one I spent alot of time researching - It explains alot of what we all observe from summer - to the following winter.

Once you get a good understanding of Buck Dispersal, read up on doe groups & Doe dispersal. Does live in family groups, and disperse MUCH differently than bucks. Some call their method od Dispersal a "Rose Petal Effect" where each "family group" (A Doe, Her offsring Doe from last Spring, their offspring if any from this year, and her offspring from this year) represents an overlapping rose petal.

There is also alot of truth that Doe Family Groups occupy the safest, and usually the areas with the best feed most of the year. They will discourage most bucks from residing in their territory. Its not uncommon that the bachelor groups of bucks often live in sparce feed areas, and are not seen much until Late summers.

Fieldmouse 02-26-2004 06:44 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
Personally, shoot the young ones. They are easier to get out of the woods, cut up and much more tasty. If you need more meat, shoot another one.

Please keep in mind I don't hunt in areas that aren't out of control.

buckshot47 02-26-2004 08:09 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
It's been known for quite some time that does run their buck fawns off and that buck fawns that are orphaned usually don't disperse If you are really serious about QDM one of the best things you can do is study deer. there are subtle differances between mature does and buttons that are easy to reconize if you take time to learn them. One thing I do on our QDM lease is not to shoot lone antlerless deer because more times than not they will be buttons. Wait for groups and look carefully you will be able to pick out the mature does.

DBL-LUNG 03-03-2004 10:46 AM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
We have been shooting as many does that we can that have two button bucks. This has helped us with our buck population, but we are still overloaded with does... The older does definately run off the 1 1/2 year old bucks...

JJWIII 03-04-2004 10:53 PM

RE: VERY interesting article on QDM
 
Stump_MN_Hunter said

"God Bob....we're just not seein any bucks...I wonder why". Now tell me QDM isn't good. Anyone can come up with all the mumbo-jumbo that they want and back it up with "scientific date", about why it isn't good. But those people need to step out of the box and look at the grand picture a bit IMO. Granted, my example is a little extreme, but does probably happen in heavy hunted areas. But you get my point. I think.
I have to agree, a good example of this was PA (3 years ago). At that time, PA practiced what was basically traditional deer management. Overprotection of does and any deer with two or more points on one side or a spike at least three inches long was fair game. There were some big bucks taken by a lucky few, but then again, some lucky bum always hits the lottery too. PA has had a long reputation as a small antlered deer state. That shows you what happens when a large area shoots their young bucks.


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