No it's when you hear it on every thread that you open that a particular person responds to that gets old. Also, you don't hear the techies expressive negative opionions of the trads it's always the other way around and people get sick of listening to it. Plain and simple.

You're preaching to the choir!

It seems like that I have said that about 18 times but it certainly didn't hurt to say it again A little understanding goes a long way. People just don't realize what a negative impact they have on their own message when they try to force feed it down peoples throats on every other thread. I don't open the kind of threads that I think will turn into the "well you should really be doing it my way" threads much any more.

There's a nifty feature on this site. There's a little green dot above each person's name on their post. You get tired of reading the same drivel over and over from the same guy, just tiptoe your little cursor up there and click that dot. It blocks that person's posts. You don't ever have to read that person's comments again unless you click on the dot and unblock them.

Since I've been on this site, I've used it only twice.

Not always, it's not. And the bashing from compounders toward trads is FAR nastier. Here's a few quotes I've dug out of the archives for your perusal. If you can still profess purity for the tech side after reading this...

Don't you think there's a big difference between wanting to limit technology at a certain level on one side and the other side calling for an outright BAN against those that want limits?

Arthur,

Like I said, my comments were not necessarily directed at you. I have yet to see any of the folks I am making reference to rear their head in this discussion.

SA,

Yes, I know...but the way I say it is much less confrontational....

Arthur,

The people that made those quotes are the type of people that I, and most of the others on here, don't like!

My opinion is that you shoot whatever you want, and you have your views on that, and that is fine.

I shoot whatever I want, and I have my views on that, and I hope that is fine!

Too many people get on elitist trips, both compound and trad shooters, and it is just ridiculous! Your posts are true, but the fence swings both ways. There are trads ragging on compounds and compounds ragging on trads?

The big question I have for these people who constantly bash other peoples choice of equipment is.....

WHY? What is the point? They aren't going to accomplish anything but making our sport look bad. Archery has a large, diverse, types of hunters and that is a good thing. Could you imagine if everyone shot the exact same set-up! It would be boring.

ARGUING WILL NOT GET ANYBODY ANYWHER! It is a waist of time! Everyone has their own beliefs and they aren't going to change them for some Joe Smoch on the other side of the country!!!

Shoot what you want and enjoy it. Don't worry about what others are shooting, just worry about how your gonna drag that big buck out of the woods this fall!!!!!

You know what's ironic about your quote Arthur? No where in this thread did a person who questioned too much technology, put down someone shooting a compound. We all have our personal dislikes, whether it be mechanicals, drop a ways, carbon arrows, shorty bows, low brace heights, or the name Mathews on the side of your bow. However, I didn't notice anyone saying that compound shooters were a problem or that they should be banned from bow season. Some of us are just questioning at what point bowhunting becomes some other kind of hunting. Arthur thinks that being able to hold you draw for 5 minutes has caused it to transgress towards a crossbow or gun hunting. I think that enabling one to reliably shoot a deer at a very far distance will take away from the bowhunting experience. At the same time that I hold this opinion, I also support your right to hunt whatever legal way you choose. I have nothing against any type of hunting (including crossbows). However, if in the future, bows are shooting explosive tipped arrows at 2000 fps that only have to hit near a deer to kill them at 200 yards, you can call it what you want, but to me it won't be bowhunting. Still, I will have nothing to say against you doing it (if it's legal). It's your choice if that's how you want to hunt. I'll probably prefer to called it advanced grenade throwing or rocket launching, but not bowhunting.

BuckMagnet, the reason the trads are so concerned about what's happening with compounds is the fact that we share the same season. They're concerned that making the compound easier and easier to take game with is going to eventually raise hunter success ratios to the point where the season is shortened.

TJD posted this last July:

There are a number factors that contribute to the hunter success ratio increase: more deer, popularity of treestands, better educated hunters for instance. But the bows we have now are light years ahead of what they were just 20 years ago. You can look at those numbers and correlate the 3-5% spikes pretty well with advances in archery equipment. 1999 for instance, the year ICS-type carbons got popular.

Going by the data from the McAlister, OK army base where they wound up limiting the hunt to trad equipment in order to keep their harvest rates down to management levels of 12-15%, it would appear that the treestands, deer numbers and education would account for about a 6-9% increase. That leaves archery related advances accounting for at least another 20%.

Those advances have put bowhunting in the spotlight as a game management tool, when we started out being a recreational hunting activity with minimal herd impact. That might be a good thing in areas where deer herds are out of control. But where herds are thin, that kind of success rate could be a disaster for bowhunters.

What will happen to our seasons if our success ratios ever get close to gun hunters? Your success rate with your compound could have a very direct and detrimental impact on my traditional hunting. Remember, none of us is all alone on an island. We're all in this together. What the compound community does has a direct effect on the trad community.

What has turned into 'bashing' and senseless arguing started out being trads raising valid concerns about how technology is impacting the sport. And being roundly cussed for their audacity and then ignored by the tech community. Small wonder there is so much anger involved in this kind of thread now.

A lot of us are SO worried about what the PETAphiles think, but have so little regard of what another group of bowhunters think. Isn't that skewed a ways off the path?

Both sides need to quit being so defensive about things and THINK the whole thing through. Maybe that way we can find some common ground.

Arthur,

That is a great point and to be honest, one that I never thought about. I know in PA, the number of tags handed out has been increasing which would make the overall kill increase!!!! That probablly has an impact on all states.

I do agree entirely though, this is a potential problem and some sort of organization should be set-up to find a median for both orginizations!!!!

detrimental??

If it were not for modern bows and the hunters they brought into the sport you would have NO bow season. 90% of the states can't kill enough deer to keep populations down with rifle,compound, x-bow, and shotgun.

Are you trad guys gonna take a big enough bite out of the population to keep the season going?????

In the last 10 yrs my season has doubled into three months. It when from one buck to unlimited bucks and does. And now crossbows are in the picture. And I know of many, many areas that are the same.

You should be thanking us - we will keep bow season a viable tool for DEC. Believe me - if we did not put down the deer we did you would be totting a rifle afield, or should I say muzzle loader

But it seems the smoke screen of family values, tradition, the "essence" and sanctity of the sport has lifted. And the true unjustified selfish fears of loosing hunting time come to the forefront.

To each his own. I could care less if a buddy was shooting an ol' stick pole, recurve, compound, or crossbow. I do care that anyone I choose to hunt with is ethical, safe, curtious and friendly. We all have a responsibility to pass on a great tradition and not nit pic over bow types, arrows, etc., etc.. We can offer our suggestions but let us all shy away from using this great forum as a BULLY PULPIT! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur,

I want to reiterate that while I tend to disagree with you I use to respect you. But, I don't think you want to open the whole "lets go to the archives" can of worms

PA,

I am not sure that I understand what you are saying

SA,

Nor did they put down shooting traditional. However, in the comparisons that I made I used the terms releases, wheels, and gadgets, I did not focus on compounds. Just clarifying for the record

Surely you consider that a far cry from where archery is currently?????????? I would consider that statement to be in a different league, division, and ball park from the differences in archery today. Would you concur?

Did you think that Fred Bear was doing that with a long bow?