P & Y and matthews
 

I received by Bowhunter magazine yesterday and it had a story in it about the potential new world record whitetail. Two issues came up as I read it. First was the fact that the hunter was unable to recover the deer in what I would consider a reasonable amount of time. Secondly I had understood that all matthews bows were 70% letoff thus disqualifying them for P&Y. I recently talked to one proshop that indicated that matthews bows met P&Y because of the way matthews measures letoff. Another proshop, who sells matthews, indicated that they do not meet P&Y standards. Anyone having good knowledge on the matthews issue, please comment.

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I have heard the same things you have. If Mathewes was smart, they would let people knjow....cuz to me (and others i'm sure) it's still a mystery. I am aware of the two different ways of mesuring letoff, but come on...tell us which one your using for goodness sake!

John

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There are 2 different means to measure let-off. One is to measure the let-off at the backwall fully drawn,the other measures it drawn against the wall then backed off until the highest let-off is recorded in the valley. Effective,AMO,actual let-off, confused yet??? By P&Y standards the Mathews 70% is actual 65% and totally P&Y legal

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Il-Cornfed is correct!
Highest let-off in valley is where you are legally. Other ? contact www.thebowman.com/cbow_matthews.html or [email protected] this is Mathews Archery & they will end the rumors! I have been a proud bowhunter since 1965. I own a Mathews "Conquest light" bow now. My wife shoots a MQ-2 Mathews. I know the folks at Mathews Archery personally and they are VERY GOOD, reputable people! They will inform you on whatever ? you may have. Yes, their bows are expensive, but like any other equipment...you pay for quality...bottom line.

Best of luck!

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I am a member of P&Y and although I can't speak for them officially, from what I under stand, from the clubs stand point what IL-cornfed says is correct. However I believe this only applies to the Matthews bows that are rated at 70% let off.

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Actually any bow that measures 65% letoff at full draw(against the wall) is legal, whether its Matthews or another brand.

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The percent of let off can be figured two ways, like was said above, manufactures usually list the higher numbers due to public appeal, but when actually measured by P&Y standards they are really only 63-65%

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Mathews answers this on their website.

"17.) Q: If I take a Pope and Young record-book animal with my MQ1 or MQ-32" with the 70 percent cam, will this qualify for the record books?

A: The 70-percent straightline cam does fall within their guidelines for entry into the record books and is legal in all states. AMO measures actual let-off and doesn’t calculate hysteresis. When you draw a bow and settle in to a more comfortable shooting position in the valley of the cam, you experience less holding weight at draw."


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so then why in the world does Mathews persist on calling a 65% let off bow 70%...doesnt make sense when you look at it from the outside in....other then it goes along with the 6 page ads!

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Mathews offers different cams for different let-off on some of their bows. Not all Mathews bows have 70%, my FX has 80%! A friend of mine has a 65% cam on his Ultra Max. However, the standard cams on these bows are higher let-off....usually. The individual has to know what he wants to get a lower let-off.

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Don't forget there is a possibility that the hunter was using a completely legal Mathews bow. If he was using an MQ1 or MQ32 (both of which still sold by Mathews) in 65% &quot;Mathews&quot; letoff he would actually be under the P&Y maximum letoff. Just some food for thought.

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Lilhunter, going by AMO specifications, their 70% letoff bows are AMO 65%, but they go outside that specification and use hysterisis in order to make the letoff look higher. Mathews isn't the only one doing this stuff either.

Your question then is basically, why do they ignore their own industry standards so they can advertise a higher letoff?

Same reason every manufacturer in the business ignores industry standards and advertises IBO speed ratings instead of advertising speeds obtained by AMO specification.

The higher the numbers they can advertise, the more people will buy their stuff. Or so they hope. It's called marketing. Also known as stretching the truth in advertising.

Quite frankly, I think it's way past time archers started demanding more honesty and real truth in advertising from the manufacturers. AMO set their own industry specifications and I, for one, think they should base their performance advertising on those specs. Across the board.

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Good post, Arthur P. And I also think it's about time we hold manufacturers accountable for not being able to deliver on reported IBO speeds as well.

Other than Bowtech, do you know a company which can actually deliver on its reported IBO speeds? Certainly not Mathews. I've never heard of one of their bows being able to do it...

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exactly what I was thinking Arthur...its all about the mula!

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Yup, all about the $$$.
I also believe Mathews realizes some shooters will go out and buy the legal cams in case they harvest a record animal. They can then change them out and claim they shot it with them. I know quite a few who have those cams just in case.

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MQ1shooter, as far as obtaining advertised speeds, the only mathews I have ever oned was the original one cam that matt put on the market. I can not remember the speed I got from it. As far as others that I personally have owned, every HCA and Hoyt has achieved the advertised speeds.
I do agree with you, that manufacturers should not publish what they cannot produce.
One thing to remember though, not all people can set up a bow to achieve full potential. When bow manufacturers publish their speeds, they certainly are NOT talking about using brass nocksets, or big hunting peeps with rubber bands attached.

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IL-CORFED is exactly right

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MQ1shooter,
You should change your name if that is what you have found. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> The Matthews dealer/archery shop I frequent has found that Matthew's is in fact one of the bows that shoots thru a chronograph at the speed they advertise. And we have shot several lines of Matthews. I will add that the shop carries only 3 or 4 other brands so certainly I wouldn't speak of any other brands. Which Matthews did you shoot? I assume it was completely stripped down i.e. no silencers, no ultra nok, confirmed the arrow weight etc, etc.? Just curious.