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Been putting off posting this, but after reading T-roys' topic I had too. I have been told about 6 fellows in my community who each have shot and killed 20 deer each.......one has killed 28 I am told. A reputable source let me in on this......my local pro shop owner. Its not the amount of deer they have killed that is a problem. The problem is..... they have checked in all the deer as required, but some(don't know how many) of the deer have been thrown in the ditch or the side of a road!! Why? They didn't need that many deer and had nobody to give it too or wanted it. As was explained to me, its for bragging rights among the group and to see who can collect the most pins upon checking in of their deer. The DNR has been notified but nothing can be done. They are legally killing the deer, but illegally disposing of them. Only thing the DNR can do is catch them in the act. The not-so-funny thing is...at least one of them is a cop.......I know the guy but not well. Two others have a towing company and are contracted out by the city and sheriff's office when they need a vehicle towed. I know these two guys not well either, but would not put it past them. Maybe a letter to the local newspaper might at least put heat on them, problem is you have to sign your name to any letter to the editor to be printed. I will give this careful thought.[:o]

By the way....the pro shop owner told them he would not care to see them in his shop anymore.

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Coug.

Be very careful on what you write to put in print.

That being said all I can say they are on the same level as slob hunters.

Dont they have a hunters feeding the hungry program there where they could donate the extra deer?

Other than that why take more than you can use even if it is legal to do so.

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He has the right to refuse service to anyone right?

Too bad you couldn't follow these idiots around and get it on video.

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terrible thing is for every story like this there are many more that go untold. thumbs up for posting yours.

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[X(] These are the maggots that keep the PETA pot boiling. I'd think real careful about notifying the local fish wrapper. Most of them are run by lib publishers and before you know it the locals would be buzzing about all hunters and not the offending maggots.[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]

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Thats sad, I too would be careful about what i wrote to the paper. Perhaps you could use a difrent name? It is unethical to waste the deer meat even if you are killing the deer legaly.

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in many states it is against the law to not use all the meat. several states even now require that you properly utilize meat from bears, which people use to discard.

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The only thing I have to say is watch what you accuse people of in the paper. It can open a can of worms and backfire. Secondly, as far as you REALLY know this is ALL hear-say at this point. Have you seen these dozens of discarded deer laying in the ditch. Have you seen them dumping deer or hides or what. You're stirring up a can of worms with NO proof. More often than not these stories stem from pure jealousy against the successful. I find it hard to believe that people will shoot, tag, dress, drag, check in a deer so they can throw it in a ditch. If it did happen it's probably one and now you're trying to accuse 6 people. My hunting partner and I shoot a lot of deer with the bow(well .... He does, I pick and choose more) They all get consumed in one way or another, whether we eat them, give them to friends or donate to Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry. Posting of such stories and "HEARSAY" does nothing to help hunting or the hunter image and you're slandering 6 people without proof. If I were them I'd be looking to punch a nose.

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I think it's unlikely that people are leaving their deer in a ditch. But! You never know about people sometimes these days. The thought of it is prety sick to me. However, Cougar, I would tread very very lightly. Your actions on this will deffinately have a swift reaction and it may not be pretty. Check your sources again and again. Also, if you can find hard core, undesputable proof before doing anything.

Although what Davidmil is saying sounds like he is posting a defence. I would have to agree with him. The story of what these people are doing with their deer is just that....a story unless you have proof. One problem I see is that if you are sure of what they are doing then the right thing to do is not put it in the paper but make sure the authorities are on it in some way. If you do put it in the paper like that it would be slander which you could be sued for.

I hate that you are in this position. But, from what I've read in this and other posts your a very responsible person and will take a lot of thought before acting. Sorry your in this position.:(

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Cougar I will agree with David, right now all you have is rumor to go by, if you do have concrete proof they are doing this don't take it to the paper. If a police officer is involved you may want to take the proof to the police chief or provide it to the Game Warden.

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Even if they are doing what you say you still have to prove it--maybe the 6 of them all get together and say YOU did it--then it's you against 6 others.There are a lot of things that could go wrong for you--maybe you start getting speeding tickets for going 31 in a 30 m.p.h. zone?I'm not saying you shouldn't do anything about it but what can you really do?If you had a picture of them discarding deer in the ditch you would then have proof--other than that it's your word against theirs.jmho.How reliable is the person that told you?

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If you print and you can't prove it. You could be found guilty of liable. Make sure that before you go forward that you have reliable sources and that they are willing to testify.

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Nothing can really be done unless they were caught in the act. My source is very reliable and I have heard stories of 3 of the individuals in past years of unethical hunting behavior. Guess I just hope they get a conscience.

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just to let it slide and hope these guys get themselves caught would be a shame. an easier way of acting on the problem would be to find out as much information about what they are doing and where they are doing it and help them get themselves caught, tip the dnr off on who what when & where.

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These are not hunters they basically fall into the same category of poachers and all other unethical hunters. I hope you can find definite proof and have them prosecuted. Good Luck....

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1. Cougar is obviously closer to the (possible) truth then those who overly-criticized him based only his written word.
2. The act that some readers believe that "Cougar" could be found guilty of is not "liable." The lawsuit would be for "slander" or "defamation" for which the accusers would seek to hold Cougar liable.
3. There is no case because Cougar has not named anyone. Where is the specific malice to any specifically identified person?
4. If you do not believe that some deer hunters, including bowhunters, do not kill deer just for the sake of killing and leave the deer where they lay or dump them in a ditch, or elsewhere, you are in denial or you haven't hunted deer very long.
5. If the unnamed parties have legally killed as many deer as was told to Cougar, and have properly checked all kills in, but they are dumping some, most, or all, what is their crime? In the state of Illinois, the crimes would most likely be held to "littering, " "illegal dumping," and "improper disposal of a dead animal."

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In this part of WI the DNR forces you to earn abuck by shooting a doe 1st you can earn a buck for every doe you shoot. there are a number of people shooting more deer than they use and disposing of many this is even sanctioned by dnr by setting up drop points. Then there are others like us who have had to give up a lot of deer hunting we only eat two deer a year and with two of us in the house hunting now have to just stick to firearms hunting. About all I do is get a buck earned so my son can get his. this is the same with my father and father in law theyusually only use one a year. Its been a couple years now since I even took my saftey off. Food pantrys will not except the venison. Then we know of others shooting numerous deer that are being wasted just so they can shoot more than one buck.