attempting to decide carbon or alluminum
 

want to know what new shafts to buy? Have shot many alluminum shafts latly. Need the hitting power and also like the speed. I need something durable enough that will handle target shooting and hunting.Thanks guys for the imput. I don't shoot too bad with alluminums eight arrows 40 yards 5 inch group. But I still think that I need to tighten my group more with carbons. Thanks
Edited by - carlellik on 02/05/2002 22:14:33

Edited by - carlellik on 02/07/2002 10:28:12

RE: attempting to decide carbon or alluminum
 

I recomend the new Beman ICS Hunter Camo...Great looking arrow, increased weight for a carbon and still all the toughness we have come to expect from carbons. If you wanna spend a few more bucks ACC's are top of the class in my opinion

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It really depends on what you are willing to spend. There are so many good ones out there. I have grown fond of Gold tips. They are reletively inexpensive and super tough. I have had a half dozen now for about 2 years. I shoot a 62lbs bow with a 100gr head with complete passthroughs on whitetails.
The only complaint I have about them is that they are a little noisy and hard on your rest. They have slick tubes that seem to do well with them though.

Just my suggestion though.

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I haven't tried the Gold Tips in the past couple of years, people say they made some great changes. When they first come out I had a problem with the insert busting out if the took a very hard lick. Seems to me by all the opinions I've seen on here Gold Tips have gotten better.

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I only use gold tips they are very tough
but the draw back with them is the same as muzzyman they are tough on rests
but get the muzzy ze and that wont be a problem
also if you are going to shoot them into targets polish them with some car polish or soap first makes them a lot easier to get out

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I'm tired of the slight bends in aluminum that cause erratic arrow flight. I used to think it was me, or the bow set up, but when I started marking arrows, then testing them on an actual spin tester, I was suprised at what I was seeing. Goodbye Easton, I'll probably be a new Beman ICS fan. I can't justify the extra $2-3 each for camo though.

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www.goldtip.com www.thegametracker.com www.carbon-tech.com Good luck finding the arrows you want:)

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man i thought everyone shot carbons..lol..befor you guys go and spend all that money you should check out the NEW CAMO gold tips. im impressed its a vast improvement over the regular carbons. theve got a coating of somekind on them and guaranteed not to wear off under normal use. i paid $62.00 for the ones i have. quiet on the rest even without shrink tube or teflon its smooth as silk.
Ron

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I'm new, but have been impressed with the SME Epsilons. Quiet on draw & very tough. I hit a steel post at the range & ruined the tip & broke the nock. No damage to the arrow though. Reasonably priced, too.

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Once again, I'll harp on the fact that you don't need to leave out the Blackhawk vapors. They are very reasonably priced and were tested in a recent bow mag to be right with GT's-accuracy wise.

The most important bloodtrail leads right to the foot of the cross

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Comndr, I am curious about the Blackhawks. The company is in Ohio, so I'd like to do business w/ them. Have you used these arrows yourself? If so, are you happy w/ them & are they quiet when drawn? What spine & what draw weight? Do they have a smooth finish? Thanks.

Phil.

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I've been shooting the Gold Tip 22 series for 1 1/2 years and love them. Same speed I was getting with my ics's but with a fatter slightly stiffer shaft. Because of the larger diameter you can also use 5 inch vanes if you need a little more broadhead control. I've also brokken a couple extra lines on the 3-d targets because of the fatter shaft. They seem to be as durable as the ics's were for me and complete pass throughs on 2 deer and an elk with them makes me a pretty happy camper.

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My advice is to not be afraid to use either. I still have a hard time deciding which to use. After going back and forth, I have settled on Easton 2613. I need these for my long draw and stiff spine.

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I have never shot carbons, I have what to some may seem a dumb question, since carbons do not bend, what happens, do they shatter or break in two?

The Tazman

RE: attempting to decide carbon or alluminum
 

Easy - Which ever shoots more accurate for you. Your bow will not shoot an infinite variety of arrows - there will be a couple of sizes that will simply perform better.

That said, and a lot of variable left out, I prefer hunting with a carbon shaft (compound). They flew great for me, they penetrated great and were tough as nails. I used Gold Tips. With my longbow, I found that a 2216 aluminum shaft flies best, so thats what I am going to use.

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I have never used carbons either, but have heard both good and bad about them. The bad is that they can completely splinter. I have not heard any bad stories about aluminum so that is what I have used.

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ive been shooting goldtips for 4 years and have never had one break. after diging one of my brothers out of the fence we put a knik in it and i told him it would break but it took a year and a half and another shot into the fence to do so.
Ron

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I've got dibs on O2bhuntin's carbon shaft market share. I have shot both and I really like the GT xts over the alumiums. I have shot the gametrackers but they seemed heavier. Gold Tip is my arrow.

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Pdq, my brother-in-law uses them. One of the local shops got fed up with GT's last year(terrible factory fletching) and stopped carrying them half way thru the year and picked up the Blackhawks. My bro-in-law loves them and hasn't had the first problem with them. He picked up a little speed over the Terminators he was using because they are lighter. They are as smooth and quiet as the new-finish GT's as far as I could tell. I've used the Terminators, and really liked them. My bow seemed to really like them, too.

The most important bloodtrail leads right to the foot of the cross

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Carbon Express 3D Selects for me. Everything I could possibly ever want in a hunting shaft.I'll never look back at alum.

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For hunting purposes, you can't beat carbons. They are stronger (last longer), faster (better when judging distances), and have less flex (therefore, they penetrate better). The advantage of carbons in a hunting situation is so great, I can't imagine using anything else.

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I used aluminums exclusively until I went and bought a couple Blackhawks just to experiment with, Now Im useing carbons. They seem to be a lot easier to dail in at least they were for me good luck any way........hill

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Thanks Cmndr. I may get some to try.

Phil.

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I started bowhunting 3 years ago, and for my first hunting season I used Easton 2213 having an arrow speed of 240f/s and the luck of getting a nice deer; last season (and with a little more experinece) I changed to Carbon, I tried BEMAN Field, BEMAN Hunter and EASTON Carbon Evolution with the intention of geting more speed but I couldn't make them fly as good as my 2213; so I started to use a faster Bow (Mathews Ultra2 instead of my MQ1) with 67# and 27Draw lenght and I change my xx75 2213 for xx78 2213 at 26.5", I put some carbon inserts and change from 125 to 100gr and from plastic vanes to 4" Feathers and WOW! I ended up with a 400gr Setup @ 284f/s and a Ke of 72.
So in the end I still shooting aluminum for hunting and having the speed and penetration I like.

good luck.