tRIED ONE THE OTHER DAY.....REALLY IMPRESSED !

I bought a wb in the middle of the season and had greart luck with it. Killed three deer. It worked flawless in practice and in hunting. Although I must agree with the critics. If it gets 50 below 0 and it starts raining and snowing and then you have a great dust storm come along and then it starts hailing there is a one percent chance that you might make a bad shot. Thanks for the constructive critizium.

MThunter: I'm sorry it went as it did as well. All I originally mentioned was the manufacturer's 'No Snow' and it took a different path from that point. Some just won't let it go that there is a slim possibility of a problem. The manufacturer is just covering their a** with the 'No Snow'. There's nothing really wrong with that; but, I just brought it to everyones' attention. If you have any rest and you're not having problems with it, that's great.

I posted negative information about a particular drop-away rest almost 2 years ago. The manufacturer and their pro shooters kept denying the problems. Over the next 6 months to a year they were quietly fixing some of the problems I had noted. It's still not a great product and the manufacturer has since come out with different models.

Another manufacturer at the ATA Trade Show approached me about analyzing their drop-away rest. I showed them a difficiency and they corrected the problem before it hit the market. Good for them.

No product is perfect. I even modified the rest I presently use on my personal bow and requested the manufacturer consider certain changes. Again the manufacturer listened.

Most of the manufacturers will listen to reason. Some on this forum, because of their intimacy with what they've spent their hard-earned money to buy, have a real problem with any criticism about that product. It holds true whether it be a rest, a sight, and especially a bow.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

AKDoug: As you and others saw, I don't mind debatting with anyone. I draw the line, however, when someone starts taking personal shots at me and my store without a thread of evidence to back it up. My customers know me and that is all that really counts; but, some on this and other forums may someday want to deal with me, but innuendos and lies might sway their thinking.

Good hunting.

Others: If you have one and are happy, great. It is my intent to educate the general archery community with my knowledge of products and procedures. I also teach at the ATA Trade Show every year. My seminar is not just a discussion of what I know, but an exchange of ideas from other Dealers is always promoted by me.

Just like to put in my 2 cents worth,

I think that all in all the WB is a good, solid, and very user friendly rest. I do know that there are some sacrifices which are made in the use of this rest, (fletching contact, speed loss, possible freezing issues) But overall I think it is a good serviceable rest which will perform well when used for what it is intended.

I personally do not own one, Not because I worry about freezing etc, but because I have an old martin plunger/flipper rest that migrates from bow to bow with me (I know, I know, I need to pull it out of the jurassic age, but I love this rest)

I have personally been to Len's archery shop here in Maryland on many occassions, And I speak with personal knowledge in saying, that Len knows what he is talking about. He is most certainly up to speed on all things archery. More importantly I don't think that Len has a dim view of the WB, I do think that Len believe's that it is more important that we as archer's / bowhunter's remain informed about the different products that are on the market and their potential problems.

I respect Len's opinion on all things archery, for the same reason that many people respect my opinion on deer hunting & archery because of the fact that I speak from experience. But after everything is said and done, I make my own choices. As such, if I choose to purchase a WB it is Len's responsibility to inform me of that rest's pro's and con's, after that it is my choice on whether or not I am going to lay down some greenbacks or not.

Whatever rest you choose, make sure you know its limitations, and if there is a problem either fix it, or know how to fix when the need arrives.

MY TURN..... his name LEN!!

Poor AKDoug's kids are gettin the short end of the stick. Just kiddin...

I've been shooting bows and helping my friend in his bow shop for twenty years, shot lots of bows, lots of rests and lots of different setups. I tried shooting the WB for a couple of weeks after it was out for a year or so. I had good groups but lots of screwed of fletch. Also I noticed WAY too much noise with this rest and a loss of ten FPS. The groups I shot were good until my fletch started peeling and getting mashed down from this rest. I think it's a great rest for the weekend archer (no offense meant to anyone). I haven't ever seen a serious 3D shooter shoot these rests (not in public anyway). I have used a trophy taker drop away since they came out best rest I've seen and used yet. The main thing in my setup for bowhunting is a quite, simple, accurate, and dependable rest. I've yet to test any rest where ice is forming on my bow, arrows, or rest. I'd be afraid of sliding right out of my tree stand. One more thing on the WB's toughness is we had alot of guys use these and got them caught in brush and limbs and it spun the rest out of position while they were hunting in perfect weather. This is my opinion on them. If you guys like'em shoot'em but I won't.

10G2S: Its way too easy to get good groups with this rest even if the bow is not in tune,and that is a problem. Noise, speed loss, and screwed up fletches can happen if you use too light of a spine arrow for your bow. There is also the possibility that you had too tight of a biscuit to arrow fit, the biscuit should fit loose around the arrow. A high nocking point or a bow that has not been adjusted to an even tiller will also cause the arrow to go through the biscuit a bit sideways and you will get the results that you described. If you want to get good results with the biscuit its easy. Shoot the correct spine arrows for your bow. Install the biscuit so its parallel to the bowstring, not tipped forward or backward. Set the bow at an even tiller. I usually just tighten both limb bolts down, then back them both out an even three turns each, this allows you to adjust the tiller later if need be in order to get a level arrow in the target. The nocking point should be installed on the string so that the arrow is at a 90degree angle to the bowstring and the biscuit. You should grouptune to establish the correct windage setting for the rest. On most right-handed bows the nock travel is forward and to the left about an 1/8" so the optimum windage setting is generally going to be about 1/8" to the left of the centerline of the bow for the bow to shoot its narrowest groups. After the windage is set the tiller may or may not need to be adjusted in order to get a level arrow in the target. If the arrow hits nock high the upper limb is doing more work than the lower limb so you would tighten the lower limbolt in order to get a level arrow in the target. If the arrow is hitting nock low the lower limb is doing more work than the upper so to correct the tiller you would tighten the upper limb bolt in order to get a level arrow in the target. The nocking point can remain at the 90degee position on the bowstring. You can make very fine adjustments with a wrench on the limb bolts instead of raising or lowering either the rest or the nocking point. Tuning a bow this way does not require a lazer or a bowsquare or a paper tuneing rack. The last dozen bows I set up in this fashion shot broadheads and fieldpoints to the same point of aim. There is more than one way to tune a bow. I have been using the whisker biscuit since they first came out. When the biscuit is used properly it is a very quiet, accurate, and durable rest. I have never had a biscuit freeze up in the field, and concider the possibility of that happening to be very remote. Happy holidays to everyone! Good luck hunting!

In one of the postings someone asked if using the WB with the "slot" was better than the WB that completely encloses the arrow. I've found the WB with the slot a lot easier and quicker to "load" an arrow.

Being new to archery, the thing I find the most fustrating is that there are SO MANY different rests, sights, bows, arrows, etc.. It seem that everyone I talk with recommends so many different brands, etc., it's hard to choose what to try without spending tons of $$ to find what works best for my bows and shooting requirements. Different strokes for different folks. I guess that's why there are so many different types of vehicles and so many different options, and so many different colors. Life must have been much easier when you could have any color of vehicle you wanted..............as long as it was black.

I put a WB on my new Patriot this season and it won't be coming off any time soon. The rest makes no noise, is simple to load, holds the arrow at any angle, and I have shot countless times with it and the only damage done to my vanes is by other arrows in the group.

My bow shoots 275 fps and groups 3 different broadhead brands and designs nice and tight.

If your WB is frozen......so is your bow and all your arrows and your release and your stand and your tree. VERY few people will ever be in conditions this extreme.....but if you are my advice would be.....Try again tomorrow!! There isn't a piece of equipment on earth that is ice proof.

1% chance of something going wrong can be applied to ANY piece of equipment on the market today. Considering things like buck fever and just plain human error I would say that you have a much better chance of being let down by yourself then your equipment.

If your WB turns because you dragged it through the bushes either it wasn't tight to begin with or you would have twisted or bent the rest no matter which one it was.

No single piece of equipment is right for everyone. I did not want to even try a WB because of the negative stuff I had heard and read in places like this and shops around town........Then I had a NIGHTMARE with my NAP drop away on the Patriot and the shop owner had his bow out while I was there and it had a WB on it. I asked him a few questions and he said he would set me up with one and if I didn't like it he would take it back no charge. He set it up and I never gave it back.

Maybe it isn't great for 3D pros or Vegas tournaments.........I couldn't care less if it is or not.......I HUNT and it is a great HUNTING rest. That much I do know.

I am going to Gander Mountain tomorrow to get my brother one for Christmas. He had an arrow fall off his rest this year and has been whining that he wished he had a WB like mine so that wouldn't have happened. I am interested to see if he has similar praise for his as I do mine.

Works for me.

Just my experience FWIW.