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2 what?

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Maybe you have missed my original message. I am not saying that the deer are not great......or that you shouldn' t go kill one.........by all means bag the biggest baddest one you can find man.

Your above statement expresses my point perfectly. It' s NORMAL to see a couple P+Y bucks every day or two. So you will be killing a NORMAL buck for the land you are fortunate enough to be on. Compared to most other deer we hunt day to day these guys are HUGE!!! but there they are just NORMAL. To kill a monster or freak in a place where they are not a dime a dozen is one hell of an accomplishment or darn good luck. To kill a monster there would just be considered NORMAL.

Still great...................................just NORMAL.

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http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...ma/wmalist.htm

I' m not going to spend a lot of time making my point, but NY does have some permit WMA' s avilable. Maybe you didn' t know about them ??

Dogs. What do you think ? 2 Fish and Wildlife people.

I' ll take normal hard to kill 150" deer anyday over normal hard to kill 100" deer.

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ROTHFLMAO, would someone please give atlasman a shovel, he cant seem to dig his hole fast enough, after all he read all about deer hunting in a book.[:-]

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What point is that?? I have asked you REPEATED times questions that you have not answered that could have cleared everything up and avoided this whole mess.......you chose not to because you want to be cloak and dagger about your deer portraits. Where I live and hunt we don' t have such things and that' s why I didn' t understand what you are talking about. If land around here is public it has NO restrictions except you have to have a license. There are places you need permits to hunt on like parks and certain WMA' s but all you have to do is stop at the cabin at the entrance and grab one so they know how many people are in there each day.

I asked you over and over about why people don' t just go there and hunt if it' s public and you still haven' t answered me. You won' t say who runs the place, what happens to all the money, who plants and cares for the land and who watches over the land and what power they have to keep non tag holders off public land. We have bow only zones in NY near NY city but that is for safety reasons. So if you had just explained yourself better and not been so afraid 10 of us would put in for tags next year I would understand the setup better. As of right now I still don' t know much about the way the place is run.......oh well.


There you go again. Instead of saying 2 game officers live on site and patrol the area constantly as their job and so and so is in charge of the food plots and farming which is funded by the undrawn tag money and blah blah blah............that' s all you had to do from the very start........instead you are all secretive like I' m gonna steal your stand or something.


So would you rather have a 200" deer taken off a farm??

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I' ve been hunting longer then you' ve been out of diapers little man ;)

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Well I wont stoop to your level, however I seriously doubt after reading your comments that youve been hunting very long at all. And if you have, I would love to come over and hunt your neck of the woods, just to give the deer a taste of hunts it like to be really hunted.

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zelazny,

a friend of mine drew a tag and hunted this public land two weeks ago, he and his partner came up with a plan and bagged 2 monsters. i think one was 205" and the other was just a little less. anyways, he sent me a couple pics and explained what they did and how they got these bad boys. ill send it to you via email. the pics will give away the location.

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Well Atlasman. I gotta say I was reading along with your post just waiting for you to say you hunted in NY, because you definetly sound like all the meat hunters in this fine state of rednecks and city hunters alike. You are ther perfect stereotype of the guy who thinks there are no big deer, or even any deer in the woods simply because you are not knowledgeable hunter.
I also hunt hear in NY, all parts of the state, excluding the Catskills, and can not defend you one bit. Our state had one of the largest and most dense deer herds in the country. I' ve have been fortunate to get out every fri-mon this season, and have passed on several basket racks, and countless doe. I have harvested my share of those small bakset racks in the past, and although I was once filled with satisfaction after shooting one, no longer do I desire to use my tag on anything I feel is an 18 month old deer. It is simply too easy once the know how of hunting really hits you.
There are trophy deer here in new york, and in fact, excluding that monster in the first picture, I have witnessed bachelor groups very comparable to that picture in several areas throughout the state. Did I ever harvest any of those deer I saw? No!, for reasons we all know and have discuused already.
The only advantage I see that Zelazny has over us is that he has access to all the land the deer roam on. Whereas here in NY, most private plots are very small, probably less than 100 acres, and any public land is in fact very crowded, and probably not much bigger than 500 acres anyway, so spots become very limited. And also regarding the special permit topic, there are several areas that I know of in the state, and probably some more as well. Duran Eastman park is one, along with the seneca wildlife refuge. I also believe Montezuma swamp has a drawing. So Atlasman, I know your opinion is very hard to change, as with all the meat hunters, but you should relize that trophy hunting, no matter what part of the country, is more than going out at 8am sitting in your permanent tree stand, coffee in hand, with no regard to the wind, and waiting for " whats brown is down" . Good Luck to you Zelazny, I know it wont be easy.

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You got something against meat hunters??.........do you even see your hypocrisy in bashing meat hunters while crying because you think I am bashing trophy hunters?? (Probably not ;)) BTW I have nothing against trophy hunters......or ANY hunter for that matter. It' s a shame that you are so disgusted by many of the hunting brothers you share the woods with. I know it may be hard for you to believe but not everyone thinks or lives their life the way you do.

Man this broken record is really getting overplayed in this forum this year. So predictable it' s sad. If someone voices an opinion that is different then yours or you don' t like the first reaction is a personal insult along the lines of that person is stupid or lacks hunting knowledge..........very sad turn in this forum lately. It' s unfortunate that you lump people into stereotypes.......you should really get to know them first BEFORE unleashing your hatred.

Defend me on what?? That I don' t see the same thrill in killing a big buck where they are a dime a dozen compared to killing one where they are seldom if ever seen?? It' s just my opinion man.........why are you so upset??


Good for you............I have too many mouths to feed that LOVE venison so unlike you I cannot afford to let deer walk by just because their head gear doesn' t impress the neighbors. If it has a rack fine........I mount it and put in on the wall with the rest. If not that' s also fine with me. They all look the same in the freezer........it' s pretty bad that you lump so much shame on hunters taking legal game because they don' t share your goals.


Broken record played yet again.



It really helps if you read and understand a thread BEFORE blasting away from the hip like one of the rednecks or city hunters you despise so much ;)

Who cares about advantages or if there are deer like that here or there or anywhere?? My main and original statement remains that killing a huge deer where there are tons of huge deer is less an accomplishment then doing it where a deer like that will be the talk of the town for years to come. Where you went off on some of your tangents I have no clue.

Once again my redneck hating friend.........read before typing ;) I already mentioned places that require permits to hunt like certain WMA' s and parks. I have hunted Montezuma, Letchworth.....etc The permits are anything but exclusive. They are more concerned with keeping track of how many people hunt per year and how many are there on a given day. A photo copy of your license and a couple lines of info will get you in any of the spots you speak of. They are a lot less permits as they are a way of counting........I have never been turned down.


Once again you ask for respect but don' t offer the same to others. You are a special guy ;)

You know nothing about me..............or 99% of the rest of the hunting world you cast your net of stereotyping at. It must be lonely being so perfect.

I know NY has a great deer herd. I have hunted the same woods for 16-17 years now and I know all the locals and all the farmers. I know what comes off that land and what doesn' t. I could sit and let deer walk by because they only have 4 pts or 6 or whatever you go by. That deer will then be killed by someone else IF it even lives to gun season. The woods are FULL of hunters that let nothing on 4 legs walk by............so me passing on a deer only gives it to someone else. It does nothing for the herd and does nothing for me that or any other year except keep my freezer empty. I don' t have the luxury of being able to hunt all over the state for days at a time. I own my own business so just can' t leave for parts unknown in search of a P+Y buck. Glad you can. I hunt what I have and don' t pretend I am in a Primos video when I am not. The land I hunt is not managed for big racks and I don' t really care..........why is that so hard to accept? When I take a buck no one is gonna stare at it with an open mouth in envy. It just doesn' t mean that much to me. A years worth of good quality, clean food for my family is my number one priority when I hunt. A year of good food for my family provides me much more satisfaction then some horns on my wall........I' ve got tons of those and you can' t eat any of ' em. My brother took a really big 8 pt a few years back and it was like Mardi Gras on that hill. Guys came from all over to see that deer........conservation took his picture and put it on the deer check wall......it was fun. For 3 years after that there were so many cars at our spot it looked like a parking lot............deer like that are just not found very often in those woods. I can count on one hand how many brutes have been taken off those hills in 17 years. I don' t want one that bad. If he crosses my path I will take him for sure............but if he doesn' t I am not gonna go home feeling bad. I have tried eating my tags before and they taste like crap............I will take the smiles and grateful looks on my families faces when I show up at their house with a batch of jerky or the cards I get from my family that has migrated south after they get my " care package" in the mail.......over some antlers any day. Too bad you are so closed minded to any aspects of hunting that aren' t yours :(