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check out the tracks! wow, havent seen him yet but he' s a smasher im sure atleast 10 pt 250 lbs easy! this clay is hard as a rock like concrete and he sinks way in!

if anyone can tell me how to post a pic right up please let me know!

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I don' t see anything that would tell me he' s a monster 10 point or that he weighs 250 pounds. The track is of a running deer that slid in the stuff when it was wetter. The dew claws made an impression which gives the whole thing a bigger look than it is. The individual tracks don' t appear to be much more than 3 quarters wide which is less than 3 inches and it' s a running impression. Sorry to burst your bubble... but this could be your 120 pound weakling or a nice doe.

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thats no doe, its 2 different deer an 8 and ten together! i seen them make the tracks at a jog not running!

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Yep Im with David, the tracks I would think would be from an average size deer, 100lbs give or take 20lbs.

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Don' t let David rain on your parade.... I see it, looks like a 278 lbs. 14 point non-typical to me, maybe even the new NJ record;)

Really now, I do believe David may be right here, Typically dew claw impressions indicate a running deer, running deer or bounding tend to leave deeper/larger tracks, What does not look real typical is that when deer run the hooves tend to be spread apart more. My thoughts are alot like Davids, I tend to think that the track was made by a deer that stepped in that location or running(but not fast) when the ground was softer, as it sank the dew claws made contact with the soil.
Also, By the cracks in the soil around the track indicates that area holds water(notice no vegitation) and does appear to be clay (again hard and no vegitation) but clay ,alot of times dries hard on the surface yet will stay very moist under the crust.As clay often does it has poor drainage under the crusty layer. I would not bet my entire season on that spot as being a huge buck, but even if it was a doe, it won' t be long and a buck may soon follow.

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That could be any 1 1/2 year old deer.

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i quess the quarter doent show the size?? ther elike 7 inches long and 5 inches wide! have you seen bigger tracks??

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yep, it was just in a bigger mud puddle;)

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Now which is it? You haven' t seen him or you have seen him or them???????:eek:

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First click on image, then put the url of the pic in between the image brackets.

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i think its a record deer with a rack the size a frikin bus! if it aint, your going to have a blast chasing it, if it is.... BAM! i hope you get him!

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" Now which is it? You haven' t seen him or you have seen him or them??????? "

Busted!

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ARMallardSlayer, I was wondering the same thing. I thought I missed something, somewhere along the line. ..

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Those tracks are' nt that big[:o]I have seen bigger ones in Lathem MY SELF !!.That clay was too soft and that deer was moveing faster than a walk,,so to say this is,or was a monster, is jumping the gun.
Seen a good buck off the North Way last week.Right in your neck of the " woods" :D

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nice quarter :D;) that deer definitly slid though.

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Not trying to be a smart alec at all. Just trying to point out the whole story and to keep you from jumping to conclusions. That' s two feet marks side by side and the deer slid and part of your 7 inches is the dew claw marks at the back of the track.... AND they' re not that big considering the soil. P.S. There is no 7 inch whitetail track Dorothy, even in Kansas.[:-]

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No 250 pounder made those tracks. The deer slid, making the tracks appear bigger, and also judging by the quarter, they aren' t that big even with the sliding. Looking at a single hoofprint or two doesn' t paint the whole picture. You have to take into account length and width of stride, how deep they sink on different surfaces, if the tracks splay while the deer is walking vs. running, dew claws visible when walking, etc., etc. Also, it is impossible to look at a track and say how many points the deer has, it doesn' t matter how good you are at reading tracks.

I say this not to discourage you, but to hopefully give you a better understanding of reading sign. There just might be another deer in the area that weighs 250 pounds and has 12 points, it' s always possible. Good Luck!

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Man, this guy goes through the effort of taking some pics and posting them on here and you all are on his arse. Look how small that quarter is, I think it' s a big track!!!! Plus if the deer was at a run the toes would be split more and they' re not. It may have slid but I still think it' s a big track.

Good luck with him monsterbuck!!!!!

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Like the others have said, the tracks aren' t incredibly large.

First off, the deer was at a run. This can be seen by how the front of the track sinks in deeper than the back. A walking deer will have more of an even depth because their body weight doesn' t have momentum. When a deer is running and the foot hits the ground, momentum pushes the body weight forward which causes the front of the track to make a deeper impression.

The dew claws also indicate that the deer was running as the angle of the leg is steeper than when walking which brings the dew claws closer to the ground.

The ground appears to be soft. The top layer looks to be about 1/4" thick of hard clay, but, a running deer will easily smash that, but, underneath, the soil appears wet, so, when the deer hits the ground, busts through the top layer, hits the wet soil, it slides forward a bit, which makes the tracks appear larger. Also, the width of the tracks appears larger because the top layer of soil was shattered when the deer hit it. This isn' t like a soft dirt that will just mold to the track, the edges of the soil cracked up and they don' t crack perfectly with the deers hooves, they will crack out further than the width of the deers hooves.

The hooves are splayed open which also points to a running deer. A walking deer will create a move even force on the ground and the hooves will remain um-splayed, but, when running, the force is multiplied which opens up the hooves.

This very well could be a large deer, but, I wouldn' t put bet my entire season on it.

If it is a biggun, I hope you bust him.

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If the deer was running the track on the right would not be so straight in. A running deer also lays a more Y shaped track than that. The toes are spread apart more from the center making a Y shape. These tracks are not really unnaturally spread. I check my hunting area by tracking all around bean fields some corn. I live in Northern Illinois and I get to see a lot of tracks. Wet black leaves great impressions. I have jumped a buck in the morning watched him bound out and away through beans. I later checked the imprint and found the track to be splayed even further than the picture and Y shaped. IMO this does not look like a doe print. In my experience, I would say this may be a 2 1/2 year old buck. I have not seen many doe prints showing dew claws without being sunken further than the given picture. Again, based on my opinion

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One more point. how would a running deer get two prints in exactly the same spot. There is no way for the back leg to hit exactly beside the front leg while running. A running buck will have several feet between prints because of their speed. They do not make contact with both feet together. Nor do they imprint side by side while bolting.

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He must have been running to drop a quarter out of his pocket.:D

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Bowhunters are all optimists,good luck getting that slammer.:)

Joe

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Its a nice deer but those tracks were NOT made when the ground was hard! It would have to weigh a ton to sink like that in hard clay. The ground obviously was wet when the deer came through.

Yeppers, I' ve seen bigger tracks from a walking buck, after I actually saw the buck walking on dry ground.

Still a nice deer and I hope you get....................him.

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BM - A walking deer' s hooves won' t splay IF it is a doe or a small buck. A large buck' s hooves will splay even while walking, and the dew claw impressions will normally be visible.

In this case, I' d say the tracks were made by a buck, just not a 250 pounder. Could very well be a nice deer, though. Only way to find out is to go get him!

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I have read about huge bucks that had small hooves and made average size tracks. That ol' boy could be a monster, stay positive! Hope you get him.

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I have read about huge bucks that had small hooves and made average size tracks. That ol' boy could be a monster, stay positive! Hope you get him.

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Nub, Ya killed me.........LMAO

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yea that might be a 140 to 150 fifty pounder its hard to tell untill you get the deer

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whatever... everyone has seen WAY bigger tracks! yeah right, the only tracks that were any bigger were the ones thier 300lb girlfriends made while competing in a cup cake toss!! i think its a big track compared to what ive ever seen. and trust me, ive been hunting for many many moons and taken many many deer, with a rifle. i hope you bag him and i cant wait to see the pics. another thing that cracks me up, when someone posts a pic of a big ol 8 or 10 pointer, some putz makes a post similar to the following: nice buck, congrats! looks like the one i already got! again, yeah right.....

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So let me get this straight. Judging by his tracks you are calling him a 10 pt 250lb deer, BUT......YOU" VE YET TO EVEN SEE HIM!!!!!! AM I missing something? What book/magazine have you read to figure this out. There must be some magic formula to figure this all out.

j

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Who cares how big it was or if it was running or not. Just hunt it and Kill it. Oh yeah and have fun! Good Luck!

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I must say that I' m quite impressed with the detective work here. I bet you all didn' t know that rocket scientist bow hunt too. There will be no pulling wool over the eyes of this crew.

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Just trying to get a look at page 2. Not showing for some reason.

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That deer must have been blind and stupid, he trotted right by that quarter and didn' t pick it up!

He deserves to be shot! I hope you get him.

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Thant deer must have been blind and stupid, he trotted right by that quarter and didn' t pick it up. He deserves to be shot.

I hope you get him!

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alright 14 merks good call, all these other " geniuses" know everything, to the other your busted guy,,,, i saw them from 250 yards away, i said i havent seen him meaning close from a stand there fist!@

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Guess, we' ll have to wait to see the pics of the deer after you' ve field dressed it to know for sure!

nub, LMAO!!!

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OK I' ll try my wisdom on this one. This deer was walking. If he was trotting, the tracks would be in a straight line slightly off center of each other. Second, the left print is the deer' s back hoof print and the right track is the front hoof print. Deer have a cerain stride and when they walk, the rear feet are placed in almost the exact spot vacated by the front foot. With younger deer, the hind feet sometimes overshoots the front feet. (prints) With heavier deer, they seem to have a shorter gate. Sooo, the front foot print (specifically the tips of the toes) will appear in the front of the rear hoof print. (like in your picture) The front hooves are usually larger than the rear ones. On hard ground the deer walk on their tips since the hoof slopes up in the back. When the ground is wet or muddy, the entire hoof is used and the dew claws come into play.

7" long and 5" wide is an elk! On a 150 pound buck, the overall front hoof length including dew claws is about 4 1/2 inches long by 2 3/8 inches wide. (This is from one of my favorite books and the the author says the tracks were measured in soft muddy ground.)

So in my estimation, this was a deer that stepped in the mud. It was about averge in size, and oh yeah, it was heading that way over there.:)

Greg