I shot allum for years and switched to carb because I was tired of bent allums. I agree about the speed thing thow. I feel that as long as you have a good weighted arrow all is fine. If you can still get alot of speed with a heave arrow thats good.

Well, I guess I am the odd ball

I love my fast shooting bows, but, I can handle them. I was getting 302 f.p.s. out of my bow with 419.9 grain arrows. But, I backed the weight off and cut my arrows, so, now they are around 385 grains.

I know a bunch of you guys are going to fall off your chairs when you read that. A 385 grain hunting arrow [][>:] Heck, that is about half the weight of arrows alot of guys use.

But, I am still getting right around 70 foot pounds of KE and .48991 lb' s per second of momentum.

Heck, at 100 yards, my bow should still be shooting at roughly 254 f.p.s. and getting 55 foot pounds of KE, not saying that I would ever even think of taking a 100 yard shot.



This whole KE and momentum thing is getting ridiculous when it comes to whitetail deer hunting. Sure, if I was hunting in Africa it would be feasible, but, I haven' t seen any elephants and lions walkin in my woods

Lets face it, any bow out there today could be shot with an IBO arrow weight, a fixed blade broadhead, and easily kill deer. Heck, I killed deer last year with my Hoyt MT Sport shooting at a whopping 244 f.p.s. with a 406 grain arrow. My best friend killed deer with his Browning Tornado that was shooting 238 f.p.s. using 31" Easton Carbon Epics that weighed in at 405 grains. Those two set-ups were producing 54 foot pounds of KE and 51 foot pounds of KE.

Why do I shoot carbons? I was sick of having to replace aluminums after them bending. I practice alot, and no matter what people say, they aren' t as durable as carbons. I don' t have a arrow straightener, so, replacing them was my only option. Also, carbons are much queiter on my arrow rest. Most carbon arrows are comming with a slick finish that makes them silent while drawing. Along with that, if you are drawing on a deer, and your arrow falls of your rest and hits your bow, the carbons are not going to make as much noise.

Too all those guys who shoot heavy arrows at slow speeds, thats great, and I am glad that you are glad with it, but, it isn' t my style.

Give me a BOWTECH with a mid-weight carbon ANY day!!!!

Get your hands on a 70 pound Martin ML-14 longbow and shoot that bad boy with a 350 grain arrow. But make an appointment with a chiropractor before you do, cuz you' re gonna need it! After you get snapped back into something resembling human, you can go looking for your deer.

Come on Magnet, most archers can`t shoot that unforgiving outfit. The slightest error in form and that arrow is going haywire. Put a broadhead on it and it only gets worse. Put a 1000 lb moose 20 yards away and keep perfect form, you`d be a better archer than me. Bent aluminums, hell I`ve never bent a single one of my 2219s yet, and I`ve bounced them off some pretty hard things. I still get 230 fps with my 605gr arrows and never have to worry about them letting me down or being unforgiving.

I hope this doesn' t turn into another KE vs. momentum thread as my head is still spinning from the last one...

I am in the crowd that tends to prefer heavy carbons. With my typical setup I usually need a " heavy carbon" to be properly spined for my setup. Just to put things in perspective, a heavy carbon is one weighing at least 9 grains per inch. I believe my Bemans fall right on that line. Total arrow weight for my setup usually falls in the 420-430 grain range which translates into somewhere between 6-6.5 grains per pound of draw weight for my various setups.

Both aluminum and carbon have their redeeming qualities. Most aluminum tolerances tend to be better than the ICS carbons and their heavier weight does lend itself to a quieter bow. Carbons tend to produce more speed not only because of their lighter overall weight, in comparison to aluminum, but also because they recover quicker out of any given bow. They also get better penetration because of the diameter of most ICS shafts. However, the main reason I enjoy shooting them is because of their durability.

I do not think I would have a problem dinging up any aluminums I might shoot nowadays as my shooting skills have improved. However, I try to keep my hunting setups as simple and durable as possible. For that I prefer carbons.

Good luck with the aluminums....there definitely are reasons that they are still around.

Aw shucks, Frank. I was all set for another one of those ' tastes great vs less filling' threads.

I got myself a new dozen 2216' s yesterday. First new aluminums I' d gotten in two years (still wanna talk durability?) and found out that Easton has cut their raw shafts to 33" long! It was 34" last time I bought arrows. I can' t trim even a coat of dust off the insert end of the things any more or they' ll be too short for my recurve!

All carbon arrows are too short for anything but my compound with the rest set back into nearly overdraw position.

If this short arrow stuff keeps up, I' ll have to make myself a new recurve with an overdraw riser.

I notice that there are more guys than me shooting 2219' s. With this huge wall thickness I suffer very few damaged arrows and a dozen lasts me a year. I shoot over 50 arrows every night too. I tried 2512' s and 2413' s, which saved me nearly a hundred grains, but the durability of them was terrible.

Well I had a good answer but my puter screwed me and loged off so I will make this shorter.

Buck magnet Don' t worry I am with ya. I love my Darton Maverick. I shoot a 400 gr arrow at 300 fps and the two bucks so far have no complaints.

I hate the arguement I well no one can shoot that bow as its short brace height hinders accuracy. Well don' t buy that bow and don' t shoot it. We are not forcing anyone to shoot it.

I will continue to shoot my Darton Maverick and love it. I love speed bows.

Brian

Well all I have to say is that I shoot 300fps and medium weight arrows (Carbon Express 300' s 26-1/2" long & 100 Gr broad head). I have taken 4 large Elk with this set up and all were complete pass throughs. I have no problems with penatration or accuracy. I will add that at those speeds I have gone to a mechanical broad head. Traditional bladed broad heads seem to wonder for me at this speed.

Now that will be something to see!!!!!!

Personally, I' ll stay away from the speed and keep my bow as efficient as I can without going overboard. After my recent bout of tendonitis, I have had to go from 10 grains per pound (700 grain arrow, 70 pound pull) to 11 grains per pound (63 pounds pull, 700 grain arrow). 15% FOC. XX78.