The problem I have with this " PRIVATE" club is that " PUBLIC" records are determined using their measuring system. So as far as I am concerned, the whole argument about conforming to private club rules is bogus.

I don' t understand that argument Belle....if I start a private club that only recognizes bucks shot with Muzzy broadheads and made the list public......would I have to include those shot with other broadheads.....NO, it' s a private club who' s record book listings can be viewed by the public....that doesn' t make it any less private by ruling standards.

Rob, here' s the way it looks through my eyes:

P&Y is a private club....nobody is contesting that. However, P&Y' s record book isn' t just viewed by the public, it is the public. Therefore, the public opinion SHOULD mean something. Your Muzzy book won' t be a standard by which all are measured because you are catering to a selected group of bowhunters....not the majority. P&Y should recognize that time forces change and they need to change too.

The days of 80% bows are here and not going anywhere. Obviously people are buying these high let-off bows....but why? A lot of bows are advertised at 80% with options for lower let-off. Maybe that has something to do with it, but regardless it' s something P&Y needs to consider and act on.

I understand how you are seeing it, however, I don' t believe the majority of bowhunters are shooting more than 65% letoff....I' d like to see statistics otherwise....so if in deed that is the case....P&Y still is catering to the majority.

It wouldn' t break my heart to see it change, however where is the line drawn...you can bet if they change, it won' t jump to 80%, it' ll be 70 or 75% and then all the 80% will still whine....what about draw locks...should they recognize them...if not, why is your 80% bow okay but draw locks aren' t....the line is drawn in the sand...it' s 65%....will they change....I wish they wouldn' t but that' s not my call....I choose to shoot 65% on my Hoyt with adjustable letoffs...why, that' s the line in the sand, will I change letoff if they comply with the minority....no I will not, 65% feels better to me.

After 6 pages, I think we are becoming redundant, redundant, see redundant.

They should change the rule, Thier rule is old and antiqueated like their leadership. They are just a bunch of traditionalist at heart.
Point is there will be a lot of deer taken with bows at 75 and 80 percent let off. these deer will not be in their book.

Their book is a non-factor for me as all my bows are 70 or 75 percent let off. So their club doesn' t represent me as a bow hunter. Oh well the old fuddy dudies can have there club. I' ll put my deer on my wall and that will be that.

Pope and Young, two thumbs down...[X(]

Rob, I' d like to see the stats too. I wonder who a fello goes to to find that sort of thing out?!?! That could weigh heavily in this debate.

Rob, I' ll be honest with you, I' d rather the rule stay at 65% than to ever chance gadgets like a draw lock being legal. I agree, a line must be drawn somewhere. But, state records are determined by P&Y measuring systems.....Something just does' nt seem right about that.

Belle, you make a great point, when it comes to state records.

Wow! It' s like a bad horror movie:

The Thread that Would Not Die!

Woops! I just made it even longer! Sorry>>>>[:' (]