RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
 

Seeing the number of people I personally intruduced into thew sport (and still do) I' ll assume you don' t mean ME personally when you say that.
I' m with you 100% on crossbows (save for the dis-abled maybe) But I personally think that P&Y has done a good job of defining a bow vs. a cross bow. THOSE are the things we should be showing the politicians.

RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
 

It is in the editorial section of the Oct/Nov issue of Bowhunter written by M.R. James. This is the parragraph.
As I see it, we must admit we made a mistake. Why? For years now, about 80% of compound bows sold have greater than 65% letoff. That means most bowhunters afield this fall will be toting bows that are P&Y " illegal," and none of the trophy animals they harvest will be eligible for the P&Y record book. In my opinion, something is wrong when our record system excludes entries by a majority of legally licensed bowhunters.

I will admit, I do not know anyone of your credintals but this guy has, amoung many other things, edited 3 editions of the P&Y record book and it' s director in 1988 when the rule was made 65%. I will take his word for it over some stranger on the net thankyou very much.

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I was wrong about the 50% just as you were wrong in your statement that the 65% rule was " P&Y rule all along" . That is just flat wrong. It has only ben a rule for 15 years. It will soon die the death it deserves. RIP

Face it, those of you that don' t want this change are in the minority. You rule will end.

RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
 

You may be correct, the 65% rule may die. I won`t lose much sleep over it, but that does not mean it deserves to die. It does not mean your thoughts on the matter are any more correct than those of us who believe it should remain.

BTW, are we in the minority?

I said it before, I`ll say it again...you gotta draw the line somewhere! And yes, I remember when compounds were allowed in...I was shooting deer before they were made.

I have no problem with 80% letoff, I just think that there needs to be a point when enough is enough. Is the letoff arguement the point?

The thing that I find mildly amusing is how anyone feels they can tell a private club how to run their club!

Just for the heck of it Pluto, let me ask you this.....do you feel that 80% letoff helps you in any way while bowhunting?

RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
 

You are so right Big Country. If a preson wants to join a club, then a person must abide by the rules the club has set. If a person dosen' t want too, then don' t join.

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I suspect that when the private club is made recognizable and supported by the public it' s quite easy for the majority to be heard.....and be an influence. Bowhunters made the P&Y club what it is today. Bowhunters will dictate were they are tomorrow too. If " 80%" of bowhunters have P&Y illegal bows then a whole lot of bucks aren' t going to get entered. The book may stick around, but the funds won' t. Companies sell to the public....companies aren' t going to hand out money to P&Y if they' re own manufactured equipment isn' t allowed in.

RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
 

There' s a market because someboday asked for it somewhere along the lines. Companies are manufacturing and selling more high let-off bows than anything, at least based on what' s on the racks at the shops.

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Pluto, I did not say M.R. James is wrong, I said that many if not most in my area shoot 65% still and after purchasing their bow, either have the dealer change it or do it themselves.

I will challenge M.R. James on one point...........I will strongly argue against the statement that 80% of the bowhunters afield are using more than 65% letoff bows!!!!!!

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Yes indeed, P&Y HAS done a good job of defining a bow vs a crossbow. SO WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE DEFINITION CHANGED?

And no, I didn' t mean you personally. I' ve served 17 consecutive terms as an officer in a couple of different archery clubs, with an 18th probably coming in a few months. I' ve seen lots of things and learned more than I ever wanted to know about my fellow archers and bowhunters.

Only a tiny percentage of them support their local clubs. Even a smaller percentage support their state bowhunting organizations. Even a smaller percentage than that support their national bowhunting organization, which IS Pope and Young Club, whether they like it or not.

And the vast majority of those few that do support these clubs and organizations are hardly anything more than a name on the mailing list. They don' t DO anything. They don' t attend meetings. They don' t vote on policy. They don' t pay a whole lot of attention to club rules. They don' t roll up their sleeves and pitch in with the work.

Even so, they' re the first ones to start bitching and whining when something doesn' t suit them. Like they have some divine right to have their way over the rights of the people that DO the things that have to be done.

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Exactly! If and when P & Y changes their letoff rule, so be it and everyone should be happy. By the way, glad I made the call to limit the telemarketers from bugging me. Got sort of tired and aggravated with Buckmaster' s repeated calls trying to sell magazines.:D