Land owner issues
 

Well guys i have a ?..We farm 92 ac. that we rent off of another guy. We have beans in the fields that we rent off of him.Well the land owner came to our farm tonight and asked us not to cut the beans from wed. to the weekend because people were going to be hunting the woods by the fields. Well our plan was to start on thursday to get the beans off and he doesnt understand that we have to get them off the field. I mean this is how we make a living. What would you guys do?

Well in my opinion... I would cut the beans only if you can handle not being able to use that field next year. B/c im assuming you signed a rental contract at the beginning of the year giving you the rights to the field; therefore, i believe its your call. And im guessing if you cut the beans and the hunters complain, you won't be allowed back.

If it's how you make a living than I don't know if there's any way around it. Do what ya gotta do, but like ek said...always expect the worse...depending on the other land you may be able to rent around your location I would probably cut them.

Just my .02 cents....
 

Something that most people don't realize!!!! CHOICES LEAD TO CONSEQUENCES! You rent or lease the property and you should be able to cut when you want,, but if you do,,, you may loose the property cause he is gonna loose his hunters that he is probably charging, or he may even charge more per acre to farm? So you probably should cut another field and keep him on your good side if that 92 acres is important to your farming business?

well when we started to rent the ground we rented it off of his mother. Well she passed away in the spring and her son is now the new owner. This is our last year we are probably going to rent the ground because he is asking 230ac. to rent in next year which is way to much and we just want to get all of our crops out. We really wouldnt have had a problem with it. It was just the way he went about it and he wasnt very friendly, we told him that by him telling us to do that would be like us trying to tell him he cant go to work at his job for 3-4 days

If you dont plan to rent it next year i dont see why you wouldnt cut it if your in such a predicament.

You can never count on the weather. Harvest it ASAP.

I don't see how he can legally tell you when you can harvest your crops. If I was the hunter, I would be mad if someone started cutting there crops when they knew we we hunting, but, on the other hand, the land owner should have told the hunter that those crops would be getting cut. You have the first rights to do as you please, not the hunters. Your paying for that right. I would cut, there is nothing the land owner can do about it, legally, unless its in your contract that you can only cut if he lets you... Just my opinion..

Cut the beans. Pi$$ on that guy. $230/acre is way too much for rent. You're not going to pay that much or he going to be mad and pull it from you. Either way, you're not farming it next year. I'd definitely cut the beans.

Cut it when it's the right time to cut it regardless of what he said. Never know what's going to happen with the weather or the market.

Since you aren't going to use it next year anyway, get the beans off when it suits YOU. I hunt several farms around here and I don't expect the farmers to chance their plans to suit my hunting . . . I try to accomodate what they're doing.

Man, what the world is coming to today. Guy accepts money for a farm lease then tries to dictate how you should farm it. That would piss me off to no end, cut the beans when your operations call for it, this guy is all in it for himself.

I'm in the minority I guess. I'd work with him and find something else to harvest. This time of year a couple of days wait will not hurt your yield. You run the risk of damaging your name among all of the neighbors and chance losing other ground.

In my area $230/acre is a bargain. I get quite a bit more on my ground.

Legally speaking, the owner may not be able to lease hunting rights to someone else on top of your farming lease. It must be spelled out in the lease with the tenant.

He may be outfitting illegally as well. He can legally allow others to hunt but cannot provide any services to them.(W/Money involved) He cannot let them use tree stands, cannot guide them, cannot retrieve deer or anything like that.

Well guys we talked to him and told him that we were going to cut the beans because were going to be in the area and it would be a waste to leave them and drive the hour to ground around our farm. We start on our far ground away from the farm first and work our way back. We decided to stop where we were at today and move things over to the property and start should be done with it tommorow and will move the 30 min. back to where we were.

Wow, it seems for the price you are paying you should have the hunting rights as well.

Can you wait, is there a issue with waiting? If so pull them out. Just because you ant using the field next year burning bridges can hurt with other farmers.THEY ALL TALK TO EACH OTHER. Though I think your fully allowed and in your right to pull the beans.

WHY can he not lease the hunting rights or outfit the property

Well we went in and got out about 67 ac. rain shut us down. Called him told him we would finish up when it dries up. He finally apologized tonight and said he fully understands and told us to cut the beans when we get the chance. This guy isnt a farmer and no one likes him he has an attitude and his ground will sit idle unless hes willing to cash rent his ground at a reasonable price.

We know the type. Don't worry about him. If he does not change, the land will be sold in a few years.

Thats good that he finally apologized. Cash rent? I'm not a farmer. I have an idea of what your saying, at least I thinks I do.....

cash rent is when you rent ground from other landowners and pay a set price per acre. Around my area it ranges from 95-180 an acre but the farther north in Illinois you go some guys are renting ground well over 200 and 300 dollars an acre. Pretty much like a lease.

The way we work on our hunting lease is the farmer can do whatever he pleases. This is usually how it works on the eastern shore. The hunters basically just have to work with it. And we actually sorta understand it.

The only issue we ever had, was in Dec. the farmer decided right in gun season to brush blade the sides of the fields. While hunters were in the trees on the sides of the fields. The cutter littlerly got 3 yards from one hunter. I thought it was freakin dangerous and didn't make sense.

See thats another reason were trying to get done. Because gun season here in Illinois isnt to far off and we hate to be out there with slugs flying in every direction and we like to hunt to not only is it dangerous but alot of people gun hunt and we dont want to mess anyones hunting up. But we havent been able to please this guy or his friends who all hunt the ground. Last year they were mad an complaining because we didnt get the corn out until thanksgiving. Just cant please some people.

That is ridiculous. Glad he's coming around. I just started hunting a 160 acre farm my neighbor leases to a big family farming operation. They just picked the beanfield near my blind a few weeks ago so I moved my blind. I never even considered talking to the farmers about if they could harvest their crops according to my hunting schedule! On a somewhat related question, I've read some guys will pay farmers to leave a small section of corn standing for a food source. I thought about this for the late season but is there a going rate for leaving a section of corn and do farmers even want to do that or is it a pain in the arse for them?

Leaving some food source may or may not help. It all depends on how much other food source is available in the area. If it is corn, it seems to work best if it is square in shape of at least two or three acres. If you have a couple acres of standing corn near a water source, the deer may still hang around in the standing corn. The value of the corn in those two or three acres can be a good sum of money.

If there is a soybean field that has just been harvested, you may want to go to that area. Deer seem to like feeding in a soybean field that has just been combined. One thing deer do not like is crossing a field that has been plowed.

Thanks Country1. I am not looking to do that. I just read in a few places that leaving a few small strips of standing corn might help late season. Also, I do realize that about bean fields. I moved my blind about one week after it had been picked as I was only seeing does. I set up slightly sunk into a wooded island in the middle of ag land (1/2 picked beans on one side and 1/2 standing beans on the other). The 'island" has a creek running through it and is adjacent to a bedding area, from which deer trails stem into it and head out of it into the corn through the standing bean field. It looks like a cattle trail through the standing beans to the corn.

perfect reason that cutting those beans when you did was the correct call. you were able to get 67ac out and then it rained. Depending on how much rain you got if it is anything like out here an inch of rain seems to be shutting people down for awhile due to all the flooding we had this summer. you might not have been able to get those beans out for awhile and you can never tell what the market is going to do from day to day. good call and kudos to you for just taking them out!