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LKNCHOPPERS 10-09-2010 06:46 AM

Can You Guess What Broadhead Made This Hole? (Graphic)
 
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Here is a heart with a pretty good wound channel from a doe I shot this week. I thought the wound was pretty cool to see. What broadhead was it? No prize sorry just braggin rights.

BuckI380 10-09-2010 06:52 AM

two blade rage?

passthru79 10-09-2010 06:53 AM

Surely that wouldnt be a rage two blade.

BOWHUNTER818 10-09-2010 06:59 AM

I also Say Rage 2 Blade...

3tail 10-09-2010 07:05 AM

looks like a rage two blade to me.

blakefrautschi 10-09-2010 07:22 AM

G5 tekan? looks a lot like the cut that i get with mine... possible rage 2 blade...i doubt it is but could it even be a fixed 2 blade with bleeders? like the steel forces?

H.L.H 10-09-2010 08:28 AM

Rage two blade?

Jeffro_17 10-09-2010 08:41 AM

Rage 2 blade is my guess as well.

rynigner 10-09-2010 08:47 AM

The two small vertical cuts, and the massive linear horizontal cut perpindicular to the smaller ones. I too would guess a 2 Blade rage, or similarly designed BH.

Nice shot regardless! :party0005:

BIGBUCK17 10-09-2010 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by LKNCHOPPERS (Post 3698853)
Here is a heart with a pretty good wound channel from a doe I shot this week. I thought the wound was pretty cool to see. What broadhead was it? No prize sorry just braggin rights.

Well if your the one that shot it then i know it was rage 2 blade since thats what you always talk about shooting!!!

2 Samuel 22:35 10-09-2010 10:41 AM

Some HUGE two blade head.
Possibly Rage?
G5 Tekan?
Not quite sure.

Troop 10-09-2010 11:08 AM

Someone should create a thread called "Guess that hole" and members could posts pictures of the entrance/exit wounds of their quarry.

"Guess that hole" sounds nasty, though.

apex predator 10-09-2010 01:03 PM

2 Blade NAP Bloodrunner....

*twodogs* 10-09-2010 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by BIGBUCK17 (Post 3698910)
Well if your the one that shot it then i know it was rage 2 blade since thats what you always talk about shooting!!!

x2. what was the yardage and did the rage pass through? Pix of opposite side of the heart? Not that it would matter on that shot though. Good shot.

klundin2000 10-09-2010 04:28 PM

I'm just glad you found that deer!

blackhawk_archery 10-09-2010 04:35 PM

Large flint spear.

Ranger77 10-09-2010 05:29 PM

Rage 2 blade

Thank goodness you didn't hit anything solid - like bone. If you did you didn't get passthrough most likely

One of the worst designed heads for penetration - fact

obsessed bowhunter 10-09-2010 07:16 PM

Doesn't really matter what broadhead it is with that shot. The deer would have been dead with a field point.....lol

bigbulls 10-09-2010 08:04 PM

One of these???????





ManofTheFall 10-09-2010 11:39 PM

Rage 2 blade

HardwoodHunter 10-09-2010 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by bigbulls (Post 3699218)
One of these???????





I'm thinkin the short staff one :confused0024:

aldo88 10-10-2010 08:12 AM

It was caused by your knife and you are just messing with us.....:happy0157:
Almost looks too big for a rage but that would be my guess other than the spear.

Phil from Maine 10-10-2010 08:56 AM

LOL it looks like the older Bear 2 Blade that made the hole..LOL I shot one that looked quite close to that. The inserts in the blade made the other cuts in it. What ever it is, it is surely made by a 2 blade and I am sticking to my guess because the other cuts are made by inserts..

trophy_Hunter_22 10-10-2010 05:56 PM

bloodrunner?

DixieHuntin 10-10-2010 06:52 PM

i would also guess 2 blade nap bloodrunner

Phil from Maine 10-11-2010 03:22 AM

Well are you going to let us know what made that hole?

LKNCHOPPERS 10-11-2010 05:34 AM

OK, thanks to all that replied. It was a Rage 2 Blade. For those that asked, the shot was at 10 yards at a fairly steep angle downward quartering away. It was a passthru and left a very good blood trail as usual. Entrance and exit wounds were huge. To the guy that said I better not hit a bone, I have blown through several ribs for a passthru with this head on big deer before. If you are hitting big bones like shoulder bones you are aiming in the wrong place. If your setup produces enough energy and momentum, it is hard to beat these heads for leaving a good blood trail and getting a passthru.

Ranger77 10-11-2010 05:52 AM


If you are hitting big bones like shoulder bones you are aiming in the wrong place.
nobody aims for shoulder bones, c'mon you know that, and you also know its common to hit them



If your setup produces enough energy and momentum, it is hard to beat these heads for leaving a good blood trail and getting a passthru.

its actually EASY to beat these heads, just (A) use a broadhead that cannot fail to open and (B) has much better penetration qualities

I submit any broadhead you would have shot with that hit you made would have resulted in very similar results.

I also submit you could have used a dull and rusty bladed Puckett's Bloodtrailer and killed the deer just as dead too ... I don't reccommend that, but it would have gotten the job done.

lovethebigguns 10-11-2010 05:57 AM

I won't jump into the "To Rage or not to Rage" argument, but that is one dam fine shot on that deer.

Congrats!

skeeter170 10-11-2010 08:04 AM

I will say that I was leary of the Rage but I bought a pack last week and killed my first deer with it Saturday at 20 yards. I am sold I dropped the deer in its tracks and I would have gotten a pass through if it had not been for the tree behind the deer.

LKNCHOPPERS 10-11-2010 08:25 AM

Talk is cheap and the "Proof Is In The Pudding". If you are hitting shoulder bones very often you probably need to set your accuracy goals higher and get out there and practice. A paper plate sized group at 20 yards doesn't cut it in my book, but you may qualify for camp cook.

The Rage is the Only Mechanical I have shot after being a strict fixed blade broadhead user for 31 years.

I base my statements on facts, not speculation like your rusty puckett or fieldpoint comment. A pencil sized hole doesn't give you much blood to track or cause as much hemorrhage. The basic principle bow hunting is based on, is HEMORRHAGE in case you didn't know. Out of the last nine deer I shot, 6 were shot with the Slick Trick 100 Magnums and the last three with Rage 2 Blades. The six with Slick Tricks left inconsistant blood trails and some did't pass thru, while the last three were shot with a Rage, all passing thru and good blood trails.

BTW: None were hit in the shoulder bone.

Shoot what you want and if you didn't like my post move to the next one or better yet read it and maybe you will learn something.

Make no mistake, the Rage 2 Blade is not for everyone, if you are not shooting a heavy enough arrow at a fast enough speed you will most likely have poor results. What works for one person does not work for someone with a different setup.



Originally Posted by Ranger77 (Post 3699934)
nobody aims for shoulder bones, c'mon you know that, and you also know its common to hit them





its actually EASY to beat these heads, just (A) use a broadhead that cannot fail to open and (B) has much better penetration qualities

I submit any broadhead you would have shot with that hit you made would have resulted in very similar results.

I also submit you could have used a dull and rusty bladed Puckett's Bloodtrailer and killed the deer just as dead too ... I don't reccommend that, but it would have gotten the job done.


*twodogs* 10-11-2010 08:34 AM

Choppers,

Glade you like them. I tried the 2 blades a few years ago, took a buck with it, I was amazed at the gash it left in the animal. The shot did not pass through (cost me an arrow since he broke it off) but the blood trail was like I was in a slaughter house. The deer fell over within sight (40 yards). One blade was bent to heck, the other I could have reused but they are too hard to sharpen because they are so thin.

I don't care for the O-Rings on these heads, the blades deploy too easily as I was putting them in and out of my quiver, or even when it was nocked and resting on my stand, one good bump and the blades dropped down. Then you had to place the blade back on the O-Ring but move the O-Ring around so the two points dug in a different spot. I found myself looking at the head to make sure the blades were secure more often than I liked so I went back to a fixed blade.

LKNCHOPPERS 10-11-2010 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by *twodogs* (Post 3700041)
Choppers,

Glade you like them. I tried the 2 blades a few years ago, took a buck with it, I was amazed at the gash it left in the animal. The shot did not pass through (cost me an arrow since he broke it off) but the blood trail was like I was in a slaughter house. The deer fell over within sight (40 yards). One blade was bent to heck, the other I could have reused but they are too hard to sharpen because they are so thin.

I don't care for the O-Rings on these heads, the blades deploy too easily as I was putting them in and out of my quiver, or even when it was knocked and resting on my stand, one good bump and the blades dropped down. Then you had to place the blade back on the O-Ring but move the O-Ring around so the two points dug in a different spot. I found myself looking at the head to make sure the blades were secure more often than I liked so I went back to a fixed blade.


I will agree with you on being careful about keeping the blades seated under the O-rings. I normally check them when I nock an arrow after I enter the stand. I'm pretty careful about bumping them and IMHO they are not great for spot and stalk weaving through the brush you are bound to deploy it. In a tree stand where I do 99% of my hunting they work for me.

I don't reuse broadheads after a kill, fixed blade or Rage, I sharpen and save a used head for a finishing shot. I don't want to blow a shot at a once in a life time Buck because I was cheap and didn't have the sharpest straightest broadhead on the end of my arrow.

Ranger77 10-11-2010 08:57 AM


Talk is cheap and the "Proof Is In The Pudding". If you are hitting shoulder bones very often you probably need to set your accuracy goals higher and get out there and practice. A paper plate sized group at 20 yards doesn't cut it in my book, but you may qualify for camp cook.
whatver, in the real world of bowhunting, deer move, yardages are guessed wrong, unseen branches get in the way ... things happen. watch a RealTree video, only about 1/2 the shots are perfect


The Rage is the Only Mechanical I have shot after being a strict fixed blade broadhead user for 31 years.
good for you - you can legally shoot Puckett's too - that doesn't make them a good head



I base my statements on facts, not speculation like your rusty puckett or fieldpoint comment. A pencil sized hole doesn't give you much blood to track or cause as much hemorrhage. The basic principle bow hunting is based on, is HEMORRHAGE in case you didn't know.
do you know how many deer have died to pencil size holes in the ribs?

and you're exactly right - the more penetration you get, the more cutting your broadheads will do, a passthrough is the goal, meaning you got maximum penetration AND a good entry/exit hole for bloodtraining

this isn't my first rodeo, I've hunted and killed a lot of animals in a lot of different states




Out of the last nine deer I shot, 6 were shot with the Slick Trick 100 Magnums and the last three with Rage 2 Blades. The six with Slick Tricks left inconsistant blood trails and some did't pass thru, while the last three were shot with a Rage, all passing thru and good blood trails.

and you know where you hit those no-pass through shots too don't you ?





BTW: None were hit in the shoulder bone.

good - that's not a good place for an arrow to end up



Shoot what you want and if you didn't like my post move to the next one or better yet read it and maybe you will learn something.

I like this thread - all bowhunters need to read, and understand, that KE is a poor measurement in bowhunting, momenum is what the key is


Make no mistake, the Rage 2 Blade is not for everyone, if you are not shooting a heavy enough arrow at a fast enough speed you will most likely have poor results. What works for one person does not work for someone with a different setup.


but I don't understand? if its such a great broadhead, why put limitations on using it ?

I'll tell you why - because the penetraton qualities it possesses suck.
Its not COI, its blades are weak and thin. It can fail to open.

All these things make it unfit for a "low ke" bow to shoot? it makes it an unift head for ANYONE to shoot - the type bow you're shooting will never change the flaws that a Rage has and the laws of physics wont' change either



http://www.tradgang.com/ashby/


everyone needs to spend 30 minutes reading these

*twodogs* 10-11-2010 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by LKNCHOPPERS (Post 3700051)
I don't reuse broadheads after a kill, fixed blade or Rage, I sharpen and save a used head for a finishing shot. I don't want to blow a shot at a once in a life time Buck because I was cheap and didn't have the sharpest straightest broadhead on the end of my arrow.

Going to have to disagree with you on this one.....resharpening in my mind is not cheap, it makes perfect sense. I can get most blades as sharp or sharper than the edge it ships with. You place your trust in the blades as packaged, I don't, I'll test them and if they are not up to snuff out comes my broadhead sharpener.

Yes, if you shoot Rage, you are pretty much forced into buying a new head for each animal. Fixed blades are a whole different ball game in terms of durability and the ability to take on a scary sharp edge IMO.

aldo88 10-11-2010 02:12 PM

Wow all this just by trying to guess what blade was used. I have used several types and I like the Rage 2 blade. I have tried the Rage 3 blade and wasnt really sold on them. It basically comes down to each their own. Btw I use a Parker and in my opinion it is perfect for me. However, some of you might say Parker sucks. Once again I say, to each their own. ;)

OHbowhntr 10-11-2010 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by LKNCHOPPERS (Post 3699921)
.... it is hard to beat these heads for leaving a good blood trail and getting a passthru.

Not really, just get a Slick Trick Magnum, and see what it does..... :cool2:

I've put two separate Slick Tricks through 5 and 6 animals respectively, not blade changes, just re-sharpened them. Lost the one blowing through animal #6 in the brush in he mountains in Colorado.... No big deal, I got my $8 use out of it. #2 BH has been through 5 animals, and is on an arrow right now waiting for an opportunity at #6.... How many Rage's cost $8 and can got through more than 4 animals an never need a blade change??? :confused0024:


Originally Posted by LKNCHOPPERS
I don't reuse broadheads after a kill, fixed blade or Rage, I sharpen and save a used head for a finishing shot. I don't want to blow a shot at a once in a life time Buck because I was cheap and didn't have the sharpest straightest broadhead on the end of my arrow.

I had to do it....this doe was animal #5 on the aforementioned lost BH....she ran almost 50yds and stopped and looked around as if she never knew she'd been hit....



And this doe was #5 on the other Broadhead still ready to work....


And here was the bloodtrail....


OhioBowhunter 10-11-2010 05:07 PM

Rage 2 without a doubt!

annika3 10-11-2010 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Ranger77 (Post 3699113)
Rage 2 blade

Thank goodness you didn't hit anything solid - like bone. If you did you didn't get passthrough most likely

One of the worst designed heads for penetration - fact

Is that why I'm 5 for 5 on passthroughs shooting 260 fps on mature Kansas and Iowa bucks (260-330lbs live weight).

2 of my friends are 6 for 7 shooting roughly the same speed on mature bucks.

That is 11 for 12!! Penetration problems? I don't think so!

By the way, have you ever shot the head?

HoytMT2332 10-11-2010 09:10 PM

Not everyone is shooting 260....Sorry, but a fixed head always penetrates better than a rage. I have used them, and like them. But for some setups, its just a terrible option. I hit a rib on the way in and that's it. No pass through. I' was shooting 242 with a 405 grain arrow. If i had a muzzy, magnus, any other fixed blade on i would have got a full pass through. Not knocking them as the deer i did shoot with one sure died quick. I'm looking for a new faster bow for next season. They are great for turkeys. If i had the KE and the money, i would use them next year. But why when there are so many other cheaper , shoot as straight broadheads out there?? I hate their commercial. Expand your killzone. HA!. That is laughable at best. Really if you ask me you kinda make it smaller. Shoulder shots happen, with a rage i don't think your killing unless your shooting an extremely powerful bow. I watched my uncle hit a deer in the shoulder with a 60 pound martin cheetah at 15 yards. The thunderhead he had did the job. A rage would fail. Not saying its not possible with alot more KE, but a rage sure as heck wouldn't have at 60lbs. Just my opinion. Like i said not knocking them, but i honestly think you get alot more for your money with many other heads. It costs alot of money to pay every celebrity hunter to say how awesome they are.


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