10 yard shot
 

just got my first 3 pin sight and have a question. i was down out my buddies yesterday and shot my bow in, never thought to try it on 10. the first pin is set for twenty yards. if you have a close shot do you keep it on the 20 or do you aim the 20 a little low.

It depends. A lot of the newer compounds shoot fast enough where you can shoot the same pin out to 20 yds. I have 4 pins starting at 20 and can shoot it for 10 also.

At 10 yards I shoot less than 1 inch high so it is not worth compensating at that distance. How high are you at 10 yards with your 20 yard pin?

Yep, just aim a bit low and u will be close(within 2" I'd assume with most setups)

My first pin is good out to 30 yards. I don't have to aim high or low from 10 to 30 yards.

Practice the shot and make sure you also practice it from an elevated platform if you hunt from trees. It's a touchy area. At slam dunk, you won't be shooting high, you'll be shooting low. Look at the distance between your sight pins and your arrow rest. Your arrow archs. Close up you will shoot LOW with your 20 yard pin. It usually gets close with most bows at 13-15 yards... but at 5 or 10, you'll shoot TOO low with 20. Straight down it's really bad. Depending on your form... and YOU BETTER PRACTICE IT... many people use a 30 yard pin to shoot straight down. Don't believe me... try it. But back to the 10-20- whatever. All bows and all forms and people are not the same. You must shoot it to see.

thanks guys. i guess my best bet is to get out to my buddies and try it. my cable just came undone on my bow. its always something, anyone know a good place to get a new cable for cheap.

Here is something to think about.Chances are the 20 is slightly high at 10 yards.Most setups will be 1" to 2"


OK,when shooting a deer at 10 yards from an elevated tree stand this creates a pretty good angle,RIGHT? Where do you want to hit when you have a good angle? HIGH,right? This ensures the exit will be in the kill zone as well.


SO,I say don't worry about it,aim for the center of the lungs,little lower if the deer is alert and let er fly.

At 10 yards and closer use your 40 yard pin.

I know it doesn't seem logical. Just do it.

If "I" do that at 10 yards,I will hit high by a good bit.About 6"


Move it in to 5 yards,then I am about 2" high with the 40.


Get below 5,then 40 gets real close.I have even set my slide bar on 75 or so to hit at point blank range.

BibBulls, it appears you and I are the only ones that get that. Everyone keeps telling the guy he'll hit high. LOL There's going to be alot of close up shots missed this year. LOL

It's not the same for everybody. Most do not or cannot use proper form on the real close shots. Practice is the key.

Also, a deer basically under the stand is a tricky shot. Hard to get both lungs.

Maybe its just me, but, I wont take a shot at a deer that is under my stand, or 10 yards for that matter. I have never run into that problem. But to me, and maybe its just me, but I feel more comfortable shooting at a deer that I know I can go through the chest and not down through it.

Admittedly, a straight down shot is not the preferred. If you're not comfortable with a shot, by all means don't take it. But we were trying to answer his question about taking a 10 yard shot.

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Completely dependent upon how the bow is set up. At 10yds on something like say a BULL ELK, hell, just use all the pins, it ain't gonna matter!!!! :D

Actually most bows are gonna cross that line of sight around 5-7yds in my experience, therefore, I just hold tight with the 20yd pin, at those distances.... At 3-4yds, yes, it does fly a little high.

I understand that. But why practice a shot you shouldn't take then???
Seems like a wait of time. Just my opinion is all.

Apparently so.Most setups do not cross that threshold of sight parallax that far out.It is usually much closer like 5 yards.

I shot at 10 yards last night and I was hitting 5" to 6" high with my 40.

Like many said,shoot the shot and see where it hits.

A 10 yard shot is an acceptable shot on a deer,unless you are 30' in the air.

How about shooting Turkey from a ground blind.I will shoot them until I can no longer see them under my blind's opening.

You better know what your parallax is doing on those close shots and if you plan on not shooting a hole through your blind.:s4:


In short,practice everything and understand what is happening in as many situations as possible.

I think you meant to say low and I agree with you.

I shot a deer at about 7 yards quartering hard away.I used my 20,dead center.The entry and exit were perfect and the deer ran 60 yards and fell dead.

That is great you have your limits and stay within them.I would assume you hunt fairly high.Most of my stands are 20' or less.The previous case was about a 15' drop because it was on the upside of a hill.

Alright,I just did a parallax and trajectory test for my hunting setup.I am shooting a 418 grain arrow around 250 FPS.My peep is 5.5 above nock (this matters for parallax)

My top pin is sighted for 23 yards.

I have often stated that the apex for a sight zeroed at 25 yards is 13 yards,my findings with this setup are no different.

I was sitting atop an 8' ladder just to simulate some downward angle.


yards...... hit
2........... 3" low
4........... 1" low ( parallax)
6 .......... .25" high
8 ........... .75" high
10 ......... 1" high
12 ......... 2" high ( apex)
14 ......... 1.75" high
16.......... 1.5" high

disclaimer,these are my numbers and will not reflect your numbers,plus,this is me shooting sitting on a small platform of a ladder so the shots weren't pin point accurate but pretty darn close for what we are wanting to see.


You can see why I aim dead center at these close yardages.The trajectory takes care of the compensation for me so I don't even give it a second thought.

with my bow i can use my 20 yard pin from 0-30 yards and hit the same spot. its all about the bow

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I'm a one pin man myself. It's been my experience, that nobody can tell you how "you" and your equipment interact as one. Line up a target at ten yards and shoot the bow several times, when your group is consistent, you know where your twenty yard pin hits at ten? Shoot the bow.;)

How big is the spot? :biggrin:

No... you can't.

That's why I asked what size spot.If the spot is 8",it might be able to be done.;) :D

Of course he doesn't say how much compensation he has to make either.:)

Yeah, I guess if the "spot" was a paper plate :confused0024:

It's funny how the basic laws of physics, like gravity, seem to just go right out the window on the internet. :happy0157:

Of course when I was using an HHA DSXL5519 sight I could use one pin all the way out to 100 yards. :rock:

so how did you like that sight? jw i just bought one and am waiting on it to be shipped to my house.

Loved it. It's buit like a tank, smooth as silk and spot on with the sight in tape method.

If you like the idea of a single pin moveable hunting sight then HHA is your company. Mounting a quiver can be a litle tricky with some of the quivers out there but for a regular ole Kwikee and similar it's no problem.

That was always an old bet for beers trick when we went to the 3D shoots and stayed over night. Get 5' from a target and bet the guy he can't hit the bullseye. Most will use the top pin and shoot way low. The 40 yd was always where my bow would hit the bull at 5'

I have a short range conversion chart I used to use when I used a scope and slider.For my hunting rig now,it says to use a 71 yard pin for 6'.

Yea i heard something about some people having issues with there quivers with those sights but that what i got is a kwikee. Im not in to all them fancy quivers. i just cant see buyin somthin for $130 just hold my arrows. But thanks i should be getting it in tommorrow i cant wait to shoot with it on!!!

So did ya'll see the guy on the latest "Adreniline Junkies" shoot under the deer at 5 yards. LOL There's a boy that obviously didn't know which pin to use at 5 yards. LOL

5 yards?
 

He should have just screamed at it and gave it a heart attack!..... Funny story my buddy tells...Hunting with a 12ga, doe walks in between 5 and 10 yards. Shoots at it, it drops like a bag of rocks where it stood. Says he waits an eternity (I say 5 minutes), gets down and is looking at her, and doesn't see any blood or damage. Walks up to her and pokes her with his muzzle, she jumps up, hops a few yards and stands there in a daze. Shoots at her again and knocks her down. Now he times 30 minutes on his watch before he approaches her. Standing there he can see the damage, walks up and there is only one hole in her!!! We concluded she probably fainted on the first shot. I believe him, he's a stand up guy, he does not spin yarns at all!...

Not if you wanna hit your mark.

What a lot of people don't realize is.....the arrow is launched above the line of sight, at release. At a few yds out from the bow (most times it's around 5-8yds) the lines meet. Then, the arrow flies above the line until it arcs back down to again hit your mark (in an example of a 20yd pin) @ 20yds.

Here's a crude diagram I made up a few years ago, now....

NOW,for the twist about parallax and shooting from a stand.

Most of us agree we shoot for the distance from the base of the tree.This is because of gravity but parallax is separate from gravity and you must consider the height you are in the tree for it.Meaning,if you are shooting from 25 feet up this is 8.333 yards,meaning you no longer have a parallax issue if your parallax crosses like most between 5-7 yards.So a shot at 5 yards or less does not really need to use the 40 yard pin if the animal is 3 yards from the base of the tree.


This is why you must practice these scenarios.I know this will come with disagreement and that is why I refrained from posting sooner but it is what it is.

To further prove my point.I just shot from atop my outbuilding.Shot was maybe 15' up.The target was 3 yards from under where I stood.I marked it and stepped it off.I also shot from 5 yards which is my crossover point and it was dead center. the pin is set for 23 yards.

Now lets be honest most don't have anymore than a 2-3" low arrow even with parallax at it's worse so this whole deal is being blown way out of proportion but for educational sakes,here it is.


My son snapped this pic before I got settled in and anchored.

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And 5 yards out for those that even care anymore.I think all these shots will kill a deer.

Makes sense, T.

Your arrow is still traveling more than 5yds (or 3). Bolstering your point.

The "problem" arises (which pin to use) when the arrow is not actually traveling 5yds (or so).

True,if hunting out of a ground blind,this is a HUGE factor.More than 1 blind out there has a hole in it from those unaware of this phenomenon.:happy0157: